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TwinSwords
12-09-2010, 08:56 PM
A stunning report last night by Rachel Maddow, on the history of Republican intolerance of gay people, and their decades long slander that gays seek to corrupt children. This was followed by a dramatic interview with David Bahati, a member of parliament in Uganda who has proposed legislation to have gay people put to death. Bahati apparently has connections to the American religious group The Family -- the same Family that has been extensively covered by by Blogginghead Jeff Sharlet.

This is about 26 minutes of television that you do not want to miss.

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/1545/bahati1.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfd7ZugvUgU)
(Watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfd7ZugvUgU))

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/61/bahati2.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c2hB13B48A)
(Watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c2hB13B48A))

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4899/bahati3.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUff3qtGqDY)
(Watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUff3qtGqDY))

Ocean
12-09-2010, 09:14 PM
You're aware that there was a diavlog on this recently, right?

TwinSwords
12-09-2010, 09:19 PM
You're aware that there was a diavlog on this recently, right?

Yes. I watched it. The point of the post wasn't to alert people to the fact of the proposed legislation; it's been pretty much common knowledge for several months. Rather, it was to give people a chance to watch the dramatic interview with the author of legislation, to show the GOP's history of hate for gays, and to highlight the connection between murderous conservative extremism and the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

Ocean
12-09-2010, 09:29 PM
Yes. I watched it. The point of the post wasn't to alert people to the fact of the proposed legislation; it's been pretty much common knowledge for several months. Rather, it was to give people a chance to watch the dramatic interview with the author of legislation, to show the GOP's history of hate for gays, and to highlight the connection between murderous conservative extremism and the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

Okay. I knew you've been away for a couple of weeks and I wasn't sure whether you had watched Jeff's diavlog. It was quite shocking.

TwinSwords
12-09-2010, 09:34 PM
Okay. I knew you've been away for a couple of weeks and I wasn't sure whether you had watched Jeff's diavlog. It was quite shocking.

Thank you, that's very thoughtful of you.

Actually, I just dashed over to the Goldberg/Sharlet thread to refresh my memory. While I was there, I read your comment. First of all, I think you may have gotten through to Michelle with your advice on her voice modulation; it seems that in her subsequent diavlogs, she has done a much better job controlling her volume and tone. (I guess I'd have to re-listen to be sure of this, but that was what I thought at the time.)

The rest of what you went on to say was quite apt:

I found the discussion very interesting, if alarming to some degree. I tend to think that what they describe is a common feature in history when the reaction to dying religiosity is to come up with more extreme forms. It's likely that this brand of religion will not be very well accepted by younger people. It's been decades now that many religious people have become increasingly disappointed in their churches and have been looking for an alternative belief system that is more accommodating and flexible.

Instead of offering a more open form of religious practice, it looks like some groups have embraced the darker side of religion by adopting all the wrong principles. Unfortunately it looks like all three Abrahamic religions have come up with their respective fundamentalist brands. Their regressive qualities are the opposite of what one would hope religion could evolve into. They have become a monstrosity. I wish there were more serious religious leaders who would denounce the extremists instead of tolerating those groups quietly.

Imagine if this religious groups were to claim moral authority. We would sink in the worst barbarism in centuries.

Well said.

Ocean
12-09-2010, 09:42 PM
Thank you, that's very thoughtful of you.

You're welcome.

Actually, I just dashed over to the Goldberg/Sharlet thread to refresh my memory. While I was there, I read your comment. First of all, I think you may have gotten through to Michelle with your advice on her voice modulation; it seems that in her subsequent diavlogs, she has done a much better job controlling her volume and tone. (I guess I'd have to re-listen to be sure of this, but that was what I thought at the time.)

I actually noticed that Michelle was making an effort to lower her volume, especially at the beginning of her interlocutions, and I thought someone had given her feedback. I wouldn't think it was my comment. But, indeed, I thought the last diavlog was much better.

The rest of what you went on to say was quite apt:

Well said.

Thank you again.