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JonIrenicus
08-12-2010, 02:24 PM
Medved recently wrote a short article highlighting why Obama could still be just fine even with lower approval.

http://topics.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704017904575409300064389276.html


Not exactly new information, but it needs to be highlighted and taken in by republicans.


This talk of changing the constitution to prevent birthright citizenship needs to stop, it is a loser.

Not just with hispanics but with asians as well. Apparently there are a sizable number of Indian immigrants who are here illegally as well. I think Obama took the asian vote by what? 3 to 1.

bjkeefe
08-12-2010, 02:40 PM
Medved recently wrote a short article highlighting why Obama could still be just fine even with lower approval.

http://topics.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704017904575409300064389276.html

For those who click that link and get only the first couple of paragraphs, and don't wish to pay for a subscription, a reminder: Usually, you can read the full content of a WSJ article if you click a Google link to get to it. So, for at least the next few days, try this link (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Why+Obama+Is+Still+the+Favorite+in+201 2%22). The above article is currently at the top of the list of results.

handle
08-12-2010, 02:52 PM
But you are forgetting the Mamma Grizzly factor. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-3-2010/sarah-palin-s-mama-grizzly-coalition)

Especially now that the den mother has a half-term under her belt.
P012!

JonIrenicus
08-12-2010, 03:36 PM
For those who click that link and get only the first couple of paragraphs, and don't wish to pay for a subscription, a reminder: Usually, you can read the full content of a WSJ article if you click a Google link to get to it. So, for at least the next few days, try this link (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Why+Obama+Is+Still+the+Favorite+in+201 2%22). The above article is currently at the top of the list of results.

hmm, did not realize that. I got to it from google so was clueless about it.

bjkeefe
08-12-2010, 08:50 PM
Especially if they keep going in this direction (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/12/gop-candidate-concentration-camps/) (via (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/08/12/michelle-malkin-to-get-nu-manzanar-inspired-lady-wood/)):

GOP candidate calls for internment camps for ‘people that snuck into the country.’

Speaking at a rally sponsored by Glenn Beck’s 9/12 Project (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/12/1773129/candidate-calls-for-camps-for.html), GOP state house candidate in Florida, Marg Baker, endorsed building concentration camps for undocumented immigrants (http://bluewavenews.com/blog/2010/08/12/republican-fl-state-house-candidate-marg-baker-wants-1940s-style-camps-for-undocumented-immigrants/):

We can follow what happened back in the 40s or 50s. I was just a little girl in Miami, and they built camps for the people that snuck into the country, because they were illegal. They put them in the camps, and they shipped them back. We can do that.

And then she yelled something about "we've gotta have guns" and the room full of old white people burst into applause (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4vtMEjL1w4).

Elise at Blue Wave News (http://bluewavenews.com/blog/2010/08/12/republican-fl-state-house-candidate-marg-baker-wants-1940s-style-camps-for-undocumented-immigrants/):

This is actually a bit unusual for a Republican to suggest. Why, just last year Michele Bachmann tried to instill fear in Americans by suggesting that there was a link between the census and internment camps (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/bachmann-warns-of-link-between-census-japanese-internment.php). Of course, we can’t forget Glenn Beck’s attempts to terrify us with the threat of FEMA camps (http://boingboing.net/2009/03/17/foxs-glenn-beck-says.html) built by Obama to house the country’s wingnuts. Perhaps Marg Baker listened to these threats and thought to herself, “what a great idea! This will solve the immigration crisis!” Because interning people in camps has apparently worked in the past – why, when Marg was a little girl the camps worked perfectly.

Credit to Battleground TampaBay for breaking the story (http://battlegroundtampabay.com/2010/08/house-district-48-marg-baker-wants-camps-for-illegal-immigrants/). The St. Petersburg Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/legislature/house-district-48-candidate-wants-camps-for-illegal-immigrants/1114704) then picked up the story.

The AP says (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/12/1773129/candidate-calls-for-camps-for.html), "The other Republican candidates for the seat said they do not support that idea."

Starwatcher162536
08-15-2010, 12:03 AM
Is a greater proportion of hispanics in the electorate as much of a problem for republicans as is commonly advertised? Thanks to our electoral college and the existence of the senate any analysis that lacks the resolution to look at this at the state level is of little value.

Now maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the states with the largest increases in the hispanic population either states that are already heavily democratic (california) or are states that are so staunchly Republican (texas) that an increase of of hispanics up to ten or twenty percent is unlikely to flip the state?

I don't see, at least in the short term i.e. the next forty years, why the southwest becoming more brown should change very much at the national level.