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Lyle
08-04-2010, 12:37 PM
Exciting... Ahmadinejad almost got blown up today, or not. Wonder if he attempted to blow himself up like Bush and the Jews blew up the World Trade Center.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad survived an attack with a homemade explosive device on his motorcade during a visit to the western city of Hamadan on Wednesday, a source in his office said.

My bet... a good citizen took a pot shot at him (like with Hitler at the Bürgerbräukeller).

kezboard
08-04-2010, 03:13 PM
I humbly submit that assassinating the ruler isn't really the best way to start a democratic revolution. It's particularly ineffective when he isn't really the ruler.

handle
08-04-2010, 03:39 PM
Exciting... Ahmadinejad almost got blown up today, or not. Wonder if he attempted to blow himself up like Bush and Jews blew up the World Trade Center.



My bet... a good citizen took a pot shot at him (like with Hitler at the Bürgerbräukeller).


Hey lyle, why don't you get your crazy ass over there and kill 'im yourself?
I think you just about got yourself wound up enough.

Just like that bin laden hunter, I don't see a problem... hell, it's a win-win no matter how it turns out.

Wonderment
08-04-2010, 04:02 PM
Pyrotechnics? (http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/analysis-was-it-an-assassination-attempt-on-ahmadinejad-or-not-1.306025)

Iranian authorities didn't even try to use the expression "the president suffered no harm" following a wave of reports of an assassination attempt on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. From their perspective, there was no possible reason for Ahmadinejad to suffer any harm.

They never saw and never heard of any attempt on his life, and even that "grenade" that was supposedly thrown at his convoy, as far as they are concerned it was just a firecracker that was supposed to express the support of the people for the president.

TwinSwords
08-04-2010, 06:27 PM
Hey lyle, why don't you get your crazy ass over there and kill 'im yourself?
I think you just about got yourself wound up enough.

Just like that bin laden hunter, I don't see a problem... hell, it's a win-win no matter how it turns out.

Murder fantasy = Republican porn

bjkeefe
08-04-2010, 11:19 PM
Pyrotechnics? (http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/analysis-was-it-an-assassination-attempt-on-ahmadinejad-or-not-1.306025)
Iranian authorities didn't even try to use the expression "the president suffered no harm" following a wave of reports of an assassination attempt on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. From their perspective, there was no possible reason for Ahmadinejad to suffer any harm.

They never saw and never heard of any attempt on his life, and even that "grenade" that was supposedly thrown at his convoy, as far as they are concerned it was just a firecracker that was supposed to express the support of the people for the president.

Even the Gray Lady is snark-blogging (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/the-iranian-presidents-geography-lesson/) him. Check out the caption ...

Nothing to See Here. Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, not being attacked with a grenade on Wednesday.

... and the post title:

The Iranian President’s Geography Lesson

Re: the latter:

Not surprisingly, the shifting explanations for what was tossed at Iran’s president distracted attention from what Mr. Ahmadinejad said later in his speech in Hamedan. That’s too bad, because, as the blogger and journalist Golnaz Esfandiari pointed out (http://twitter.com/GEsfandiari), it appears that Iran’s president delivered the following news to his audience: England is “a small island in the West Africa.”

Takeaway: only bedwetters and those feeding off of them want to go to war with this assclown. Sane people know he is impotent.

Lyle
08-05-2010, 12:54 AM
Inglorious Basterds is a Republican murder fantasy? Haha.

Lyle
08-05-2010, 01:01 AM
Actually, violence sometimes is a must before having a democratic revolution. I mean if a certain government will not go peacefully, what other alternative do a people have?

I mean the United States of America... how was it founded?

kezboard
08-05-2010, 12:27 PM
I mean the United States of America... how was it founded?

By chopping the king's head off.
Oh, wait, sorry, that was the French revolution. And that one didn't go so well, did it?

Lyle
08-05-2010, 12:36 PM
Yeah, that might would have happened if the King had actually been in America (it did happen to Charles I of England and Louis XVI of France). His majesty's officials were certainly tarred and feathered, and his soldiers killed and mutilated.

Come to think of it... some loyalists were hung (extra-judicially).

Lyle
08-05-2010, 12:39 PM
Yes, you're right, Bastille Day didn't go down well... and France is still a Marie Antoinette beget dynasty!

Haha... of course it went down well. France became a Republic. Of course this didn't hold, but it ended up democratizing pretty much the whole of Western Europe... liberalizing it, at least. I mean the chopping off of Louis XVI's head is the day modern Europe arguably began.

kezboard
08-06-2010, 07:34 AM
Seriously, Lyle, can you imagine anything good happening if Ahmadinejad were assassinated? Don't you think it would just cause the government to crack down even harder? I know you enjoy revolutionary gestures, they're very romantic and all, but in the real world they often make things worse.

Lyle
08-06-2010, 11:46 AM
First, I've not made an argument for the assassination of Ahmadinejad. I just wanted to post the news of the alleged attack.

Second, as I wrote in the first post, my hunch was that if there was an attack it was an uncoordinated, non-conspiracy kind of attack... i.e., some concerned citizen taking a potshot at the guy, very much akin to the Bürgerbraukeller attack on Hitler (that guy just didn't like Hitler, wanted to kill him, tried to kill him, and just missed him by half-an-hour or so).

Third, nope, I don't know if would be a good thing or not, but because of the specific actions of Ahmadinejad... a number of Iranians are dead. So I'd applaud anyone who kills him (would be better to have him judged first of course, and then dispatched or imprisoned). Whether that leads to worse things, I can' say. I'd venture to guess not (worse for some individuals, maybe, but in the interests of Iran as a whole, I'd say no).

Obtaining democracy has its costs kezboard. It can't always be a velvet revolution, particularly when the powers at be are willing to run tanks into a city to prevent such a revolution.

bjkeefe
08-06-2010, 08:37 PM
First, I've not made an argument for the assassination of Ahmadinejad. I just wanted to post the news of the alleged attack.

Why we call him Lial.