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AemJeff
07-11-2010, 12:24 AM
Let's continue here!

bjkeefe
07-11-2010, 12:27 AM
Let's continue here!

I doubt 'fur can be persuaded to do anything that would resemble showing courtesy, but if he'll move his stale insults here, instead of depositing his coakroach droppings in other threads, I'll be as happy to sweep them up here as anyplace else.

bjkeefe
07-11-2010, 12:36 AM
I doubt 'fur can be persuaded to do anything that would resemble showing courtesy, but if he'll move his stale insults here, instead of depositing his coakroach droppings in other threads, I'll be as happy to sweep them up here as anyplace else.

And to that end, quoting from another thread:

[...] In any case, I sure hope she has not called it quits here.

You're almost certainly in the minority there, but I have to say, it wouldn't be the first time she stormed off after getting called out on her nonsense, and every other time, she has come back, so don't worry yourself overmuch about it.

I envied her ability to sidestep the insults and try to remain kind or get out of discussions when others turned them sour.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9709/roflba.gif

Seems to prove that no matter what the approach is from the right...well...

What I said elsewhere, moved over here:

The only thing this proves is that you can't make an argument, so you're forced to trail off impotently, and hope that others will fill it in for you.

And, oh, I'm sorry. You were saying (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=169190#post169190) something about imagined persecutions?

AemJeff
07-11-2010, 12:43 AM
If you had those feelings, then you should have stepped to the plate. I bet that quite a few commenters may have agreed with the general sentiment that ledocs expressed, if not exactly word by word. I certainly could relate to his comment. I didn't feel any urge to intervene in that conversation one way or the other. As to smug, if this is the definition we are using:



I think it fits the description rather well. That doesn't mean that badhat is the only smug there is or there will be. But she certainly projects the image of someone who thinks very highly of her accomplishments, and often communicates her disdain for those who haven't similarly succeeded. Or perhaps it's her libertarian schtick coming through in an annoying way.

Well said!

bjkeefe
07-11-2010, 12:44 AM
I may disagree fundamentally with Wonderment on this topic, but I think he has a right not to have this conversation hijacked by a sideshow. I'm as guilty as anyone.

Yes, I certainly agree with that. And I suppose that it might have been better for me to have ignored TSOF in the first place. But sometimes, I feel one has to stand up to troublemakers, and this was one of those times.

Whatfur
07-11-2010, 12:46 AM
Yes, I certainly agree with that. And I suppose that it might have been better for me to have ignored TSOF in the first place. But sometimes, I feel one has to stand up to troublemakers, and this was one of those times.

Riiiight!! You are such a fraud.

AemJeff
07-11-2010, 12:48 AM
Yes, I certainly agree with that. And I suppose that it might have been better for me to have ignored TSOF in the first place. But sometimes, I feel one has to stand up to troublemakers, and this was one of those times.

I'm with you. I just started feeling guilty as that argument began to dominate the thread. I certainly don't want to imply that anyone was out of line - there's an awful lot of momentum pushing that fight forward and it's easy to forget about context.

graz
07-11-2010, 12:54 AM
Yes, I certainly agree with that. And I suppose that it might have been better for me to have ignored TSOF in the first place. But sometimes, I feel one has to stand up to troublemakers, and this was one of those times.

Mr "shit on his shoes" needs lots of attention. Ignoring is likely best for most, but his bile requires a constant corrective. And as he smugly boasts of his negative effect in nearly every thread, leaving his tripe to stand unopposed is not wise. If not for your vigilance and determined efforts, these boards could be overrun with his drivel. Thanks for your efforts.

AemJeff
07-11-2010, 12:54 AM
Why are you even here posting in the side thread?

Fifteenth rule: non-sequiturs either have to be hard to detect or funny - preferably both.


Fail.

Whatfur
07-11-2010, 12:59 AM
Mr "shit on his shoes" needs lots of attention. Ignoring is likely best for most, but his bile requires a constant corrective. And as he smugly boasts of his negative effect in nearly every thread, leaving his tripe to stand unopposed is not wise. If not for your vigilance and determined efforts, these boards could be overrun with his drivel. Thanks for your efforts.

GRAZ!!!! Directly from the ooze. You've been missed. I'll adjust my sights.

bjkeefe
07-11-2010, 03:02 AM
GRAZ!!!! Directly from the ooze. You've been missed. I'll adjust my sights.

Does that mean you'll be taking you head out of your ass? For the first time ever?

Not holding my breath, let's just say.

handle
07-11-2010, 05:27 PM
God damn it!
I am sooo sad that I wasn't in on the evil plot to keep self-righteousfur up past his beddy bye time.
For future reference it might be nice to open with a link to where the flame war sparked up. My favorite part was where he was projecting the stoic ignorer of the unprovoked lefty attacks, but had only recently taken to attempts at countering them.
For anyone leaning toward buying into this act, you might want to scan his posts over the last years.
Mine are just as bad, but I never claimed any "bias" on this forum.
Note to indignantfur:
The "bias" argument is a huge hole in your righty strategy that makes you look extra delusional, here's why:
I translate my thoughts into english language words, that I then enter into my laptop with a QWERTY physical entry to ASCII interface (keyboard) when I hit the "submit" button on the GUI, the code is sent in HTML "packets" over the internets.
The BHTV server then adds them the the forum listings, and voila!. My rants are available for all to see. Where is the "bias"? If you are talking about a few civility bylaws on this site, then the case you tried to make was weakened by the fact that even those with whom you are ideologically aligned can readily see that probably well over 99% of the stuff sent over the internets is posted here for all to see, and respond to, if they are so inclined.

Perhaps the real problem lies with the fact that so many of the talking points you love to spread, don't hold up well under the logical scrutiny of the other posters ... just a thought.

handle
07-11-2010, 05:39 PM
Next week on "dissecting the victimization of whatfur", we'll examine the concepts of "following" and "piling on" in an open forum, how an extra layer of slime can make a "slippery slope" argument extra slippery, and why squealing like a stuck pig may be counter productive and embarrassing to others who share your ideological bent.
See ya then!

graz
07-11-2010, 08:59 PM
Next week on "dissecting the victimization of whatfur", we'll examine the concepts of "following" and "piling on" in an open forum, how an extra layer of slime can make a "slippery slope" argument extra slippery, and why squealing like a stuck pig may be counter productive and embarrassing to others who share your ideological bent.
See ya then!

Thanks for the coming attractions... I can hardly wait for that episode.

Apropos your points, any careful reader would concur with your case. But what baffles is that Mr. "shit on his shoes" might believe that his self-proclaimed victimhood is more than a figment of his Beck inspired and Palin perfected schtick.

Too funny.

handle
07-11-2010, 09:21 PM
Thanks for the coming attractions... I can hardly wait for that episode.

Apropos your points, any careful reader would concur with your case. But what baffles is that Mr. "shit on his shoes" might believe that his self-proclaimed victimhood is more than a figment of his Beck inspired and Palin perfected schtick.

Too funny.

Interesting you should mention the SOHS, as I was just working on my beater car, and couldn't get the "pants on the ground" song out of my head, except the lyrics were... you guessed it.

As to your points on "belief", I theorize that he believes that if he can get himself to believe it through creative rationalization, then all other "reasonable" people will too. Whereas others believe their cases hinge on believable information, that he probably sees as creative rationalization on their parts. In other words, since his logic works backward from the conclusion, he thinks we are trying to do the same. He even indicts the science community on those same grounds.... fascinating!

Whatfur
07-11-2010, 11:04 PM
Ha! Looks like the feature presentation is actually a fur-troll convention.

Wasn't poor handle just recently pointing fingers and then squawking about his own victimhood (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=168825&highlight=horror#post168825) at the hands of that big meany fur??? Of course my linking to the actual conversation showing truth lacking, his description of my insults either invented or in want of context...and ultimately showing him be rightfully handed his pointy hat (cap) caused a bit of a backpedal. Can I say "as usual" without sounding too pleased?

Regardless, happy to see trolls relishing the day. Sorry to let you in on the fact that the blood you think you see in the water...(that which brought graz out from the siliceous mud)... was merely chum.

Enjoy.

graz
07-11-2010, 11:28 PM
Ha! Looks like the feature presentation is actually a fur-troll convention.

http://dummidumbwit.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/troll-1.jpg
Furry Old Man in all his glory:http://it.toolbox.com/people/whatfur/journal/

handle
07-12-2010, 01:36 AM
Ha! Looks like the feature presentation is actually a fur-troll convention.

Wasn't poor handle just recently pointing fingers and then squawking about his own victimhood (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=168825&highlight=horror#post168825) at the hands of that big meany fur??? Of course my linking to the actual conversation showing truth lacking, his description of my insults either invented or in want of context...and ultimately showing him be rightfully handed his pointy hat (cap) caused a bit of a backpedal. Can I say "as usual" without sounding too pleased?

Regardless, happy to see trolls relishing the day. Sorry to let you in on the fact that the blood you think you see in the water...(that which brought graz out from the siliceous mud)... was merely chum.

Enjoy.

Squeeeeeeee!
Y'all be sure to take a gander at that link now.... It don't say whut he says it does!

bjkeefe
07-12-2010, 01:40 AM
Squeeeeeeee!
Y'all be sure to take a gander at that link now.... It don't say whut he says it does!

Thanks for the encouragement. I didn't follow it earlier. I confess I am now at the point where I assume every single link TSOF posts is either to something that, in fact, doesn't support his claims, or is to some wingnut blog that merely regurgitates the same unsupported assertions 'fur treats as gospel.

handle
07-12-2010, 04:31 AM
Thanks for the encouragement. I didn't follow it earlier. I confess I am now at the point where I assume every single link TSOF posts is either to something that, in fact, doesn't support his claims, or is to some wingnut blog that merely regurgitates the same unsupported assertions 'fur treats as gospel.
This one is pathological, because he tries to turn the victim thing around on yours truly, when it is obvious I was merely refuting his claim that the bad lefties always draw first blood. I even came right out said I wasn't whining, in anticipation of this inevitability.
Of course, if I pointed this out to him, he will counter with accusations of back peddling. Somewhat effective in deflecting his mistake, but totally erroneous, and breaks down under minimal scrutiny.
I've tried, but I can't seem to get his imaginary friends to come to his defense. Oh yea, I almost forgot, you lefty jackals chased them all away. At least he got out in front of that criticism.

Whatfur
07-12-2010, 09:20 AM
Pulling out all stops I see. Like the fur-troll division of SEIU...

My, my funny pics, links to porn (didn't realize that the BH brass doesn't allow comment manipulation but do allow links to pictures of guys with their balls hanging out...go figure), and flustered denials.

Keep up the good work gentleman.


[added]But hey!!! Where did Jeff go?

graz
07-12-2010, 11:56 AM
[added]But hey!!! Where did Jeff go?

No, where did D. Lund go?

Here is a cached version of my link:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pd3QoKL-POMJ:it.toolbox.com/people/whatfur/achievements/+site:it.toolbox.com/people+whatfur&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

The original has been amended:
Who cares? (http://it.toolbox.com/people/whatfur/)

Why are you running from your identity? Reflexively altering your profile after my link was telling. Are you ashamed of your posts? Is your alter-ego so unlike the real you? Do tell. You are a curiosity fur sure. Your name is of no consequence here. Your methods, on the other hand, are the problem.

Carry on D. Lund/whatfur/whatever. So what.

Whatfur
07-12-2010, 12:02 PM
Now graz is trying to "out" someone. Stay classy graz.

graz
07-12-2010, 12:04 PM
Now graz is trying to "out" someone. Stay classy graz.

Not trying... just pointing out the obvious. Fail on your part, as per usual.

Whatfur
07-12-2010, 12:07 PM
Not trying... just pointing out the obvious. Fail on your part, as per usual.

Is that it? This doesn't have to do with past embarrassments? There seems to be some deep-seeded anger from you for whatever reason. I apologize for having my words "obvious"ly stung you so badly in the past that you would resort to such craven acts.

Still...stay classy graz.

graz
07-12-2010, 12:08 PM
Is that it? Stay classy graz.

Sputter... flail... backpedal...

graz
07-12-2010, 12:12 PM
Is that it? This doesn't have to do with past embarrassments? There seems to be some deep-seeded anger from you for whatever reason. I apologize for having "obvious"ly hurt you so badly.

Still...stay classy graz.

Edited version:

Tired old ploy... fails again. Grow up old man. Do us all a favor.

graz
07-12-2010, 12:13 PM
Is that it? This doesn't have to do with past embarrassments? There seems to be some deep-seeded anger from you for whatever reason. I apologize for having my words "obvious"ly stung you so badly in the past that you would resort to such craven acts.

Still...stay classy graz.

Craven? What for, whatfur? Let's discuss.

Whatfur
07-12-2010, 12:33 PM
Edited version:

Tired old ploy... fails again. Grow up old man. Do us all a favor.

Sorry...should have figured the adult here was at the ready waiting to spring into action with his next brilliant retort before I modified mine. Not a great way to start your week there buddy.

graz
07-12-2010, 12:44 PM
Sorry...should have figured the adult here was at the ready waiting to spring into action with his next brilliant retort before I modified mine. Not a great way to start your week there buddy.

Let me remind the uninitiated. You alter posts after laying down invective and lies. You are cowardice personified. Just like you, with my big time job 'n all, I have the time to counter your bullshit as it spews. I apologize to all for not being vigilant always.

You're only kidding you and maybe the credulous badhat... nice work... too funny... ha,ha.

Whatfur
07-12-2010, 01:00 PM
Let me remind the uninitiated. You alter posts after laying down invective and lies. You are cowardice personified. Just like you, with my big time job 'n all, I have the time to counter your bullshit as it spews. I apologize to all for not being vigilant always.

You're only kidding you and maybe the credulous badhat... nice work... too funny... ha,ha.

That would make sense if there was actually something more than clarity gained by the modification. Silly, silly graz. You are sounding a bit paranoid.

graz
07-12-2010, 01:21 PM
That would make sense if there was actually something more than clarity gained by the modification. Silly, silly graz. You are sounding a bit paranoid.

It's sometimes hard to get the measure of a man or woman on a forum, as opposed to meatspace interaction. I'm coming to the conclusion that your apparent disingenuousness/deflection might stem from a lack of intellect and comprehension, rather than a ploy. If that's the case then my efforts are less satisfying, but essential nonetheless.

bjkeefe
07-12-2010, 01:28 PM
... (didn't realize that the BH brass doesn't allow comment manipulation but do allow links to pictures of guys with their balls hanging out...go figure) ...

I'm interested to note you scrutinized the picture so closely.

bjkeefe
07-12-2010, 02:37 PM
My, my funny pics, links to porn ...

Porn?

It is hilarious how you can't see the humor in the link to the picture I offered, yet you think this is a big yuck:

Must have been quite the finish. (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6622I420100703)

I guess mine musta struck a little too close to home, hmmm?

To others: apparently, after picking yet another fight, TSOF got flustered at the response and ran off sobbing to complain to the powers that be, who have since deleted the link to the picture I posted earlier. (If you're curious, send me an email or a PM. It's not really anything special, so don't get your hopes up.)

graz
07-12-2010, 02:47 PM
Porn?

It is hilarious how you can't see the humor in the link to the picture I offered, yet you think this is a big yuck:



I guess mine musta struck a little too close to home, hmmm?

To others: apparently, after picking yet another fight, TSOF got flustered at the response and ran off sobbing to complain to the powers that be, who have since deleted the link to the picture I posted earlier. (If you're curious, send me an email or a PM. It's not really anything special, so don't get your hopes up.)

Working the refs: a tried and true ploy for all wingnut obfuscation.
They fur sure are selective with their prudery.

Whatfur
07-12-2010, 03:44 PM
Working the refs: a tried and true ploy for all wingnut obfuscation.
They fur sure are selective with their prudery.

I thought Queef WAS one of the refs.?.? Of course, one of their own moderators posting porn on this site seems a bit counter-intuitive and in most professional scenerios...grounds for removal...I would think.

bjkeefe
07-12-2010, 03:52 PM
... moderators ...

Did I call it or what, graz?

Nothing funnier than a bully when he starts to cry.

handle
07-12-2010, 04:10 PM
Looks like sumbudddy has a case of the muuundaays!
As to the deletion: CONSERVATIVE BIAS!!!!!!

Whatfur
07-12-2010, 04:17 PM
Looks like sumbudddy has a case of the muuundaays!
As to the deletion: CONSERVATIVE BIAS!!!!!!

Yes, if conservative bias equates to good taste and is against linking to porn. Other than that...no...actually the day is going quite well...thanks.

handle
07-12-2010, 04:41 PM
Yes, if conservative bias equates to good taste and is against linking to porn. Other than that...no...actually the day is going quite well...thanks.

You're right, it doesn't, and isn't. My post must have been ironic sarcasm. I would be lost without your invaluable input.... whoops there I go again....

Glad your having a good day, I guess I was thrown off by your palpable irritation, sorry.

handle
07-12-2010, 05:41 PM
Ummmm yeeeaaa, by the waaay, since you didn't catch the reference, I'm gonna need those TPS reports ASAP, and don't forget the new cover sheets.

That's all I'm gonna make of it, so relax.

Whatfur
07-12-2010, 06:21 PM
Ummmm yeeeaaa, by the waaay, since you didn't catch the reference, I'm gonna need those TPS reports ASAP, and don't forget the new cover sheets.

That's all I'm gonna make of it, so relax.

How lucky for you to work at a brewery.

handle
07-13-2010, 02:54 PM
How lucky for you to work at a brewery.

LOL
But if'n I did, I would take pride in my work, and try to know as much about brewing beer as I could possibly get in my teeny tiny mind, and concentrate my time and my efforts on brewing the best beer in the world. Someone else would have to do the tasting though. (nuff said)

Seriously, I'm not interested in commenting on anyone's private life, only the stupid shit they think is clever enough to post on this forum. (yours truly included)

That said, I'm am super lucky to be in love with what I do, and unlike most of the self described "self made" wingnuts, I will never be delusional enough to take all the credit, or feel entitled enough to hoard all the rewards, or politically back those that do. (It's a libral thing... don't worry your pretty little head)

But unlike so many classist cretins on both sides of the great divide, if it all ended tomorrow, I'd go get what ever job I could get, do the best I could, and be damn proud to do it, and I wouldn't care one bit what you or anybody else thought. (you oughta try it sometime)