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bjkeefe
06-23-2010, 04:20 PM
Rather than (further) pollute the World Cup thread, I'm going to start this new one, just (initially) for the sake of the next post. But of course feel free to share other sports stories and to argue about how great Kobe is or is not, etc.

(NB: Affecting a bad Boston (New Yawk?) accent is not required.)

bjkeefe
06-23-2010, 04:25 PM
... the current score of the Wimbledon match between Nicolas Mahut and John Isner is as follows: 2 sets each, and given that there is no tiebreaker in the fifth set:

6-4, 3-6, 6-7, 7-6, 53-53

(Google News link (http://www.google.com/search?q=Nicolas%20Mahut%20and%20John%20Isner&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn). A semi-liveblog here (http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/23/1531425/wimbledon-2010-wednesday-day-3-preview-schedule-tv).)

bjkeefe
06-23-2010, 05:12 PM
... the current score of the Wimbledon match between Nicolas Mahut and John Isner is as follows: 2 sets each, and given that there is no tiebreaker in the fifth set:

6-4, 3-6, 6-7, 7-6, 53-53

(Google News link (http://www.google.com/search?q=Nicolas%20Mahut%20and%20John%20Isner&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn). A semi-liveblog here (http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/23/1531425/wimbledon-2010-wednesday-day-3-preview-schedule-tv).)

Update: match suspended (for the second day) on account of darkness. Score at this point:

6-4, 3-6, 6-7, 7-6, 59-59

They got a bathroom break at 58-58. Wimps.

Service aces thus far: 95 for one, 98 for the other.

rfrobison
06-23-2010, 08:31 PM
I've had my sports attention otherwise occupied, but geez, just looking at that scoreline makes me exhausted. Can't they give these two unknowns some sort of medal just for being able to hold up a racket after so long?

Amazing.

bjkeefe
06-23-2010, 08:33 PM
I've had my sports attention otherwise occupied, but geez, just looking at that scoreline makes me exhausted. Can't they give these two unknowns some sort of medal just for being able to hold up a racket after so long?

Amazing.

I watched them walk off the court after they called the match for the day. You could see their knees quivering. One of them looked like he would pay $1000 for someone to carry his racket bag. It was pretty amazing, yeah.

nikkibong
06-24-2010, 03:03 PM
Sorry, Brendan, but "spawts" "spouts" - whatever - is definitely a Rho Di Lun accent. (i grew up in providence.)

Good news for my adoptive home, however:

Chris Paul cometh??! (http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/06/blazers_comment_of_the_day_bri_1.html)

I'm doubtful, but it would be awesome.

nikkibong
06-24-2010, 03:08 PM
Sorry, Brendan, but "spawts" "spouts" - whatever - is definitely a Rho Di Lun accent. (i grew up in providence.)

Good news for my adoptive home, however:

Chris Paul cometh??! (http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/06/blazers_comment_of_the_day_bri_1.html)

I'm doubtful, but it would be awesome.

UPDATE:
Does wikipedia know something we don't know?!!? Or just some Orlandoers having some fun?

Wiki as of 11:10 am Pacific Time

uncle ebeneezer
06-24-2010, 03:22 PM
I actually didn't get to see much of the match (damn job!) but I've been following the updates. I usually play 2 hours and on occasion will go for 3. After 3, with someone who moves me around alot, I'm totally wiped and sore for several days. Once in a while I play with a guy who used to play pro and the soreness/tiredness factor rises exponentially with him. Obviously, these pros are in a whole nother league (as DFW chronicled so eloquently here (http://www.esquire.com/features/sports/the-string-theory-0796)), but I'm in pretty good shape for 36 non-pro, and 3 hours is still a pretty exhausting workout. What these two guys did on a court is hard even to put into words as far as the physical drain on their bodies. The closest thing I can think of would be an Iron-man triathalon, with the major difference being that Triatheletes train specifically for the tremendous feat of their sport. No tennis player has ever trained to be able to play 11 hours over 3 days. Granted, they do practice that much, but the mental/physical toll of real match-play is way more draining.

As far as the actual match is concerned, it sounds like it was just a shit-ton of aces and very little by way of long strategic rallies. For all the attention paid to the physical aspect of this match, it doesn't sound like it ranks up there with some of the epic (mere) 5 hour matches of recent years (Feder/Nadal 2008 Wimbledon, Federer/Nadal Australian, Federer/Roddick Wimbledon.) This match while statistically amazing, doesn't sound like it was nearly as much of a classic. And I think it also points out that a 5th set tie-breaker should be standard for any of the majors (at least up until the Final.) An event like this can really mess up the scheduling of the tournament.) That said, hats off to both players for a totally amazing feat.

bjkeefe
06-24-2010, 03:35 PM
Sorry, Brendan, but "spawts" "spouts" - whatever - is definitely a Rho Di Lun accent. (i grew up in providence.)

1. This is a case where the options of typed text are not quite up to the subtleties of regional pronunciation, isn't it? But I think if you think about how people from Beantown say "the Sawx" and people from the Big Apple say "cawfee" or for that matter "New Yawk," you'll see what I was at least trying to say.

2. Since I spent a few years in the Biggest Little, and learned a few things during that time, I can legitimately claim to have grown up in Providence (and Narragansett) as well. Therefore, I will (a) agree that the word as spelled could also represent how it's pronounced there, and (b) take exception to your spelling. Please, sir: it's Voh Di Lun.

Good news for my adoptive home, however:

Chris Paul cometh??! (http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/06/blazers_comment_of_the_day_bri_1.html)

I'm doubtful, but it would be awesome.

I don't know his game very well; I pretty much only know his rep. Fingers crossed for you, though.

Me, I was thinking it would be nice for LeBron to go to the Knicks (if he decides to leave Cleveland, I mean), just because it would be great to have the biggest star in the biggest city, not to mention restoring the once great name of that franchise, but then I heard this story (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/03/invoice_comment.php) (via (http://gawker.com/5502414/jimmy-dolan-pulls-out-of-village-voice-after-dick-joke-or-the-most-expensive-blog-post-of-all-time)) about Jimmy Dolan, and combined with other impressions I've gotten about the Knicks' management, fuck 'em. Let the Knicks' fans rise up and overthrow, and then I will start casting good thoughts their way again.

On another language note, I always wondered why adoptive came into use when adopted would have seemed to do the job. Not that it matters to me (that crash you just heard was half the Bh.tv community falling over in a dead faint); just wondering.

uncle ebeneezer
06-24-2010, 03:42 PM
I think the big difference is the "w". When a Bay-Stater says the "Sox", there isn't much of the contacting lips wh sound that you typically hear when a New Yorker uses a similar word. I know that when I get drunk and the Beantown accent starts coming out, that wh sound becomes almost as rare as an R preceeded by an A (oh my stahs!!) or a G after IN (freakin' nuts!)

bjkeefe
06-24-2010, 03:42 PM
UPDATE:
Does wikipedia know something we don't know?!!? Or just some Orlandoers having some fun?

Wiki as of 11:10 am Pacific Time

LOL! Maybe that person was hoping to invoke the power of the mantra, I saw it on the Internet; therefore it must be true.

David Stern is gonna fine somebody's ass!

bjkeefe
06-24-2010, 03:47 PM
I think the big difference is the "w". When a Bay-Stater says the "Sox", there isn't much of the contacting lips wh sound that you typically hear when a New Yorker uses a similar word. I know that when I get drunk and the Beantown accent starts coming out, that wh sound becomes almost as rare as an R preceeded by an A (oh my stahs!!) or a G after IN (freakin' nuts!)

Agreed. I would put it this way: the aw sound is more pronounced (heh) ... uh, noticeable ... and drawn out for New Yorkers.

I never really thought about before now, but it's interesting to realize that the classic Boston accent morphs the R in different ways, depending on the preceding vowel sound. For example: Let's go to the bah and watch the Sawx game.

uncle ebeneezer
06-24-2010, 03:49 PM
And then moves it to ridiculous places. "I sawr it. And it gave me a crazy idear."

bjkeefe
06-24-2010, 03:52 PM
I actually didn't get to see much of the match (damn job!) ...

Imagine if this was the old days, and you'd anticipated missing it, and put a tape in your VCR to record it. Even if you'd been extra paranoid and set the timer for the full six hours of the tape ...

Ah, well, as some wag (Ben Rothenberg (http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/23/1531425/wimbledon-2010-wednesday-day-3-preview-schedule-tv)) pointed out, you'll be able to see it on YouTube soon enough, assuming you're willing to site through sixty or seventy sequential clips.

but I've been following the updates. I usually play 2 hours and on occasion will go for 3. After 3, with someone who moves me around alot, I'm totally wiped and sore for several days. Once in a while I play with a guy who used to play pro and the soreness/tiredness factor rises exponentially with him. Obviously, these pros are in a whole nother league (as DFW chronicled so eloquently here (http://www.esquire.com/features/sports/the-string-theory-0796)), but I'm in pretty good shape for 36 non-pro, and 3 hours is still a pretty exhausting workout. What these two guys did on a court is hard even to put into words as far as the physical drain on their bodies. The closest thing I can think of would be an Iron-man triathalon, with the major difference being that Triatheletes train specifically for the tremendous feat of their sport. No tennis player has ever trained to be able to play 11 hours over 3 days. Granted, they do practice that much, but the mental/physical toll of real match-play is way more draining.

Well put.

As far as the actual match is concerned, it sounds like it was just a shit-ton of aces and very little by way of long strategic rallies. For all the attention paid to the physical aspect of this match, it doesn't sound like it ranks up there with some of the epic (mere) 5 hour matches of recent years (Feder/Nadal 2008 Wimbledon, Federer/Nadal Australian, Federer/Roddick Wimbledon.) This match while statistically amazing, doesn't sound like it was nearly as much of a classic. And I think it also points out that a 5th set tie-breaker should be standard for any of the majors (at least up until the Final.) An event like this can really mess up the scheduling of the tournament.) That said, hats off to both players for a totally amazing feat.

That has been my impression, too. The teevee was on in the next room yesterday (which is how I learned of this match in the first place) and the few times I went in to have a look, it did resemble the game the way it used to be played, especially on grass -- if not an ace, then serve, return, winner, pretty much. I would think, though, that especially for the guy who's always going to be serving down a game, that he would be highly motivated to conserve his strength for his turn serving, and this might be a self-reinforcing thing, the longer the set dragged on.

bjkeefe
06-24-2010, 04:00 PM
And then moves it to ridiculous places. "I sawr it. And it gave me a crazy idear."

Heh. I still remember that tic as about the first speech oddity I ever noticed as a little kid. I asked my mother about it, and she explained it as a natural laziness of the tongue when the following word begins with a vowel. But, as in your second example, it's a tad irritating when that excuse isn't present.

Wanna know what really grates, though? Not a Boston thing, but another magically-appearing R thing: the more middle-Atlanticism(?) Midwesternism(?) (maybe not even a regionalism) "Warshington."

(And not as a pun on the militaristic mindset of that village, either.)

uncle ebeneezer
06-24-2010, 04:17 PM
I've heard that sort of thing (worsh) in Pittsburgh too.

bjkeefe
06-24-2010, 05:25 PM
Update: match suspended (for the second day) on account of darkness. Score at this point:

6-4, 3-6, 6-7, 7-6, 59-59

They got a bathroom break at 58-58. Wimps.

Service aces thus far: 95 for one, 98 for the other.

And ... just to close this one out: it's finally over (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/sports/tennis/25marathonmatch.html).

bjkeefe
06-24-2010, 07:03 PM
And ... just to close this one out: it's finally over (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/sports/tennis/25marathonmatch.html).

Idle thought: How long until some wingnut writes an op-ed or blog post asserting that the win in this tennis match by the American over some foreign proves (staying power! USA! USA! USA!) that we should stay in Afghanistan for infinity forever, or until Those People swear off being Muslin and convert their poppy fields into factory farms for the production of high fructose corn syrup, whichever comes first?

I give it 48 hours, but would not bet against 24.

uncle ebeneezer
06-24-2010, 11:35 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath. Tennis just isn't on the radar of most American cheerleaders/pundits.

World Cup, now there I can see some possibility (if we somehow won it.)

nikkibong
07-01-2010, 05:35 PM
Anyone wanna bet where King James ends up?

I'm actually gonna say Cleveland.

Lyle
07-01-2010, 06:14 PM
I'd bet Cleveland too.

uncle ebeneezer
07-01-2010, 06:30 PM
My fantasy: LeBron agrees to a ridiculously low contract ($1 maybe) and come out West to a near-contender (Utah?, Oklahoma City?, San Antonio?) and proceed to knock the Lakers off every year for the next several years. This would be justice served for the fact that the Lakers lop-sided gift of Pao Gasol for essentially nothing.

In reality, anywhere but Cleveland would be my hope...so yeah, probably Cleveland.

bjkeefe
07-01-2010, 07:03 PM
My fantasy: LeBron agrees to a ridiculously low contract ($1 maybe) and come out West to a near-contender (Utah?, Oklahoma City?, San Antonio?) and proceed to knock the Lakers off every year for the next several years. This would be justice served for the fact that the Lakers lop-sided gift of Pao Gasol for essentially nothing.

Heh. Nothing like real team fandom to reduce a nice guy to a sniveling cur!

In all seriousness, though, as much as I sometimes regret no longer having a team, one upside to becoming (aging into?) a fan of the sport overall instead of a specific team is that such things as the emergence of Pau (←NB (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/pau_gasol/); he's Spanish, not Brazilian!!!1!) Gasol into true stardom are things that I can enjoy without reservation.

This change in my mindset probably also explains why I feel so different about this, too:

In reality, anywhere but Cleveland would be my hope...so yeah, probably Cleveland.

It would seem fulfilling for King James to win a title for Cleveland before moving on. Think back to Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabber) winning one for Milwaukee before he left that team -- I like the notion of a smaller, somewhat down on its luck city getting to be the top dog for a change.

I don't have any intuition about where he will go, but I'd like to see him stay there and win one before moving on.

Of course, a flip side to that argument is KG, who labored for so long in Minnesota without getting a ring. I wouldn't want LeBron to have to wait until he was in the twilight of his career to get to the same place.

uncle ebeneezer
07-01-2010, 07:49 PM
Heh. Nothing like real team fandom to reduce a nice guy to a sniveling cur!

Oh you've got it all wrong. It has nothing to do with me being a Celtics fan. I just hate the Lakers. And I hate seeing an already championship caliber team loaded with talent, get the most lop-sided trade in recent memory. Pau is a great player (and one of the big reasons LA won) I just would also love to see the Atlantas and Oklahoma Cities of the league occasionally get the best players rather than always LA, Boston, Detroit, Chicago etc. I agree that it would be cool to see LeBron win in Cleveland, I just think it would take essentially a whole new supporting cast for it to happen.

nikkibong
07-01-2010, 10:31 PM
My fantasy: LeBron agrees to a ridiculously low contract ($1 maybe) and come out West to a near-contender (Utah?, Oklahoma City?, San Antonio?)

duuude...you seem to be forgetting another near-contender out west!

just trying to hurt me?

uncle ebeneezer
07-01-2010, 10:59 PM
I didn't think the Blazers had the cap space to be contenders in the LBJ sweepstakes. If so, I would LOVE to see the Blazers finally live up to the promise of "next couple years" that we've been hearing for so many years. The Porter-Drexler-Kersee-Duckworth was one of my favorite teams of all-time.

bjkeefe
07-01-2010, 11:59 PM
... the LBJ sweepstakes.

Huh. That "LBJ" thing never occurred to me before.

If so, I would LOVE to see the Blazers finally live up to the promise of "next couple years" that we've been hearing for so many years. The Porter-Drexler-Kersee-Duckworth was one of my favorite teams of all-time.

Clyde Drexler was the man, wasn't he? Loved that guy's game. A pure pleasure to watch.

Some (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvjJA93Xy9Y) eye (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTzfJP6PeFY) candy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIc0Q1qq3pI). (Warning: Some footage shot when the Blazers were, for reasons lost to history, temporarily nicknamed "the Rockets.")

Also: I always wished my nickname for him would have caught on ... Walt.

bjkeefe
07-07-2010, 05:01 AM
For the final act of the drama that has captured the imagination of basketball fans around the world, LeBron James plans to announce his decision live on ESPN at 9 on Thursday night.

Reports Jonathan Abrams of the NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/sports/basketball/07nba.html). He does not say whether the reason LeBron chose not to do this on Bh.tv, as I had hoped, had anything to do with his feelings about Mickey Kaus.

Whatfur
07-08-2010, 04:39 PM
Must have been quite the finish. (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6622I420100703)

bjkeefe
07-08-2010, 11:22 PM
[...]

And I am already thoroughly sick of people saying "South Beach." This is as annoying as when I lived in Los Angeles and had to hear "the Southland." (Neither is as bad as "the Big Apple," though.)

The real question: will the Heat add two more halos to their logo?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/MiamiHeatcurrent.gif/200px-MiamiHeatcurrent.gif

(? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360911))

(previously (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2010/07/hard-to-believe-this-phrase-can-still.html))

nikkibong
07-09-2010, 01:32 AM
And I am already thoroughly sick of people saying "South Beach." This is as annoying as when I lived in Los Angeles and had to hear "the Southland." (Neither is as bad as "the Big Apple," though.)

The real question: will the Heat add two more halos to their logo?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/MiamiHeatcurrent.gif/200px-MiamiHeatcurrent.gif

(? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360911))

(previously (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2010/07/hard-to-believe-this-phrase-can-still.html))

Did anybody watch the ESPN special? I was indisposed, and had to miss it. Any impressions?

I'm actually surprised that James would go to MIA within the context of a TV special. Whitlock** seemed right on yesterday when he wrote (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-entourage-to-blame-for-this-mess-)

Thursday night, LeBron will appear on ESPN and announce he's re-signing with the Cavs, who stole Chris Paul via David Stern's for-the-good-of-the-league ruling. You know it's the same ruling that delivered Pau Gasol to the Los Angeles Lakers and Kobe Bryant.

[snip]

He's not going to appear on an hour-long TV special to take a dump on Cleveland by revealing he's the black Art Modell. That can't be his end-game strategy, a teary and televised middle-finger farewell to his hometown.

Anyway, this Heat team is gonna be hella fun to watch next year. Is Pat Riley going to helm them? Also, I maintain that the Miami Heat is the coolest (no pun intended) name in professional sports.

**can we get him on bhtv, please?

uncle ebeneezer
07-09-2010, 01:39 AM
At least it is only known as "the Southland" locally, no? I had never heard that until I moved here.

I think the funniest quote I heard about the LeBrown scenario was from the Onion. Back when there was speculation that Phil Jackson would go to Chicago, on of the man-on-the-streets on the Onion said "I hope he goes to Chicago so he can be the 3rd best player that Phil Jackson ever coached!"

It'll be fun to see if he, DWade and Bosh can all co-exist.

bjkeefe
07-09-2010, 02:06 AM
At least it is only known as "the Southland" locally, no? I had never heard that until I moved here.

I think so, although it is well-known that when one lives there, one lives at the center of the universe, so all it mattered was that I kept hearing it there.

I think the funniest quote I heard about the LeBrown ...

YORE THE REEL RACIST!!!1!

... scenario was from the Onion. Back when there was speculation that Phil Jackson would go to Chicago, on of the man-on-the-streets on the Onion said "I hope he goes to Chicago so he can be the 3rd best player that Phil Jackson ever coached!"

That's a good diss, but it just ain't true.

He'd have been the fourth, after Dennis Rodman.

:D

It'll be fun to see if he, DWade and Bosh can all co-exist.

Yes it will. I'm betting they'll be fine -- to the extent that I paid any attention to the free agency drama over the past month or so, it really seemed to me that those guys had a strong desire to play together, and the only question was where they'd best be able to do it. (It's almost enough to make me scream COLLUSION!!!1! ;))

bjkeefe
07-09-2010, 02:16 AM
Did anybody watch the ESPN special? I was indisposed, and had to miss it. Any impressions?

I did. Was mostly the pap you'd have expected, but it wasn't nearly as cringe-inducing as I worried it would be. First, Jim Gray did a good job, and I say this as someone who is decidedly not a Jim Gray fan. Second, and more importantly, I really liked that they staged it in a Boys' and Girls' Club, and that they gave all the proceeds from the teevee special to that organization.

I also thought, and not for the first time, that LeBron is as good as any politician at answering the question he wants to answer, as opposed to answering what he's asked. It was good for a few laughs in that sense, watching him shake and bake with Gray and the studio guys who took their turns after he made The Announcement.

I'm actually surprised that James would go to MIA within the context of a TV special. Whitlock** seemed right on yesterday when he wrote (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-entourage-to-blame-for-this-mess-)

Thursday night, LeBron will appear on ESPN and announce he's re-signing with the Cavs, who stole Chris Paul via David Stern's for-the-good-of-the-league ruling. You know it's the same ruling that delivered Pau Gasol to the Los Angeles Lakers and Kobe Bryant.

[snip]

He's not going to appear on an hour-long TV special to take a dump on Cleveland by revealing he's the black Art Modell. That can't be his end-game strategy, a teary and televised middle-finger farewell to his hometown.

So much for that guy's prognosticating abilities! As for the gripes he expresses, I don't know what the hell he's talking about; nor do I care. Sports is supposed to be fun. I hate overly intense people in sports, whether players or observers.

[Added: I'd also say that during this period between the end of the season and tonight. far too many in the sports press corps have reminded me of the worst of the chattering classes in other realms. There is nothing worse than a pundit who has no facts to work from but feels obliged to make up a narrative and stick to it regardless, especially when one detects the clear whiff of sulking at not being in with the in-crowd. I don't include Whitlock in this, since I don't know him, but I will state that I only made it through one screen of the piece you linked to before I decided I would rather be doing anything else.]

Anyway, this Heat team is gonna be hella fun to watch next year.

Oh yeah.

Is Pat Riley going to helm them?

That question was put to LeBron at least a couple of times, and he was very clear that, no, Erik Spoelstra is the man. Of course that could change depending on circumstances, but for the moment, LeBron struck me as quite sincere about this.

Also, I maintain that the Miami Heat is the coolest (no pun intended) name in professional sports.

Usually I don't like singular nouns for team names, but this is a pretty good one, yes. I liked Devil Rays, especially when said in full -- Tampa Bay Devil Rays -- until management of that team knuckled under to the fundies.

nikkibong
07-09-2010, 12:40 PM
I did. Was mostly the pap you'd have expected, but it wasn't nearly as cringe-inducing as I worried it would be. First, Jim Gray did a good job, and I say this as someone who is decidedly

Buzz Bizzinger respectfully disagrees (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/07/lebrons-decision-to-avoid-the-path-of-greatness.html):

I knew something was seriously out of kilter to begin with when LeBron’s handlers, who certainly won’t be arranging my funeral, decided in their arrogant wisdom to hold The Decision (their phraseology) in Greenwich, Connecticut, one of the richest towns in the United States. The presence of African-American kids was a nice touch. It was probably the biggest aggregation of blacks in Greenwich in history, and I was impressed by how quickly they had been shipped in. If LeBron had wanted to make an altruistic gesture, why not do it in one of a thousand places where kids really do need dreams? Bridgeport. New Haven. New York. Philadelphia. All worthy candidates. Greenwich? The only place possibly worse would have been the lawn of Don Imus’s house in Westport.

bjkeefe
07-09-2010, 12:50 PM
Buzz Bizzinger respectfully disagrees (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/07/lebrons-decision-to-avoid-the-path-of-greatness.html):

Please tell me you don't actually respect that over-the-hill sad clown. (And if you do, you probably ought to make the effort to learn how to spell his name.)

As to the bit you quoted, see my previous reply. I have no interest in people who treat sports like wingnuts treat the media -- forever prowling, looking for things to be OUTRAGED about. The only thing I'd say about OMG THEY'RE HOLDING THIS IN GREENWICH CONNECTICUT!!!1! is what I said before: I expected this hoopla (heh) to be conducted in some posh hotel or something, and was delighted to see it being held in a BGCA facility instead.

I'm not saying there are no problems left in pro sports, and I'm not denying the powerful social relevance they have in some people's minds. But me? I just enjoy the games, and I suspect everyone else would, too, if they'd stop looking for reasons to be unhappy. And yes, that is partly directed at you, specifically.

nikkibong
07-09-2010, 12:55 PM
Please tell me you don't actually respect that over-the-hill sad clown. (And if you do, you probably ought to make the effort to learn how to spell his name.)

As to the bit you quoted, see my previous reply. I have no interest in people who treat sports like wingnuts treat the media -- forever prowling, looking for things to be OUTRAGED about. The only thing I'd say about OMG THEY'RE HOLDING THIS IN GREENWICH CONNECTICUT!!!1! is what I said before: I expected this hoopla (heh) to be conducted in some posh hotel or something, and was delighted to see it being held in a BGCA facility instead.

I'm not saying there are no problems left in pro sports, and I'm not denying the powerful social relevance they have in some people's minds. But me? I just enjoy the games, and I suspect everyone else would, too, if they'd stop looking for reasons to be unhappy. And yes, that is partly directed at you, specifically.

Who said I don't enjoy the games? I'm not unhappy (about this). I just found Bizzinger's searing indictment to be a good read -- and, somewhat meaningful, coming from someone who co-authored a book about The King. (Or, rather, The Prince?) And, yes, I am actually interested in the personalities of athletes - don't know why. But that renders me more apt to enjoy stuff from the likes of Bizzinger and Michael Leahy (http://www.amazon.com/When-Nothing-Else-Matters-Comeback/dp/0743254260).

But, really, these people are sports writers. Saying they take this stuff "too seriously" is like saying that Lester Bangs cared "too much about rock music." They are expected to bring a level of criticism to the field. Jason Whitlock does it brilliantly - give him another chance, I implore you.

nikkibong
07-09-2010, 01:06 PM
We knew the Atlantic.com was going downhill when they hired Sullivan, and then Alyssa Rosenberg. But with this pathetic "take" on LebronGate, I think they've outdone themselves. Screenshot attached.

bjkeefe
07-09-2010, 01:39 PM
We knew the Atlantic.com was going downhill when they hired Sullivan, and then Alyssa Rosenberg. But with this pathetic "take" on LebronGate, I think they've outdone themselves. Screenshot attached.

LOL!

I would have expected to see that headline at Slate.

bjkeefe
07-10-2010, 12:20 AM
LOL!

I would have expected to see that headline at Slate.

Aaaaaand ... we have a winner (http://www.eschatonblog.com/2010/07/wanker-of-day_09.html)!

bjkeefe
07-11-2010, 08:39 AM
BallerStatus (http://www.ballerstatus.com/2010/07/11/nba-star-carmelo-anthony-lala-vazquez-wed-in-new-york-city/) reports:

Denver Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony married his longtime girlfriend LaLa Vazquez in New York City on Saturday (July 10), before over 300 guests.

Nice to see she landed on her feet after getting dumped by Jesus Shuttlesworth.

Oh no, wait. That was LaLa Bonilla. (? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124718/))

The ceremony took place at the ritzy Cipriani 42nd St, where the likes of Lebron James, Kim Kardashian, Justin Timberlake, Ludacris, tennis star Serena Williams, his teammate Kenyon Martin, and several other [several other what? --bjk] attended.

The couple's 3-year-old son Kiyan served as ring bearer, while Dr. Michael Eric Dyson performed the ceremony, reports People (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20400870,00.html).

From the latter:

Also among the 300 invited guests were Khloe Kardashian and Lamar Odom, Spike Lee, Ludacris and Kelly Rowland.

Back to the first: stand by to get queasy! Or! To set your DVRs! (I don't judge.)

Apparently, the wedding was filmed for an upcoming VH1 reality show.

And, finally ...

The couple have been engaged since Christmas Day 2004.

... would you spin that as a measure of their commitment, or lack thereof? Or maybe, why couldn't Mello seal the deal?

:D

More from Us Weekly (http://www.usmagazine.com/stylebeauty/news/lala-vazquez-carmelo-anthony-say-i-do-2010107) and E! (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b189777_kim_kardashian_on_hand_bff_lala.html), also too, whose headline reminds me of that old joke* about the Boston Globe.

Kim Kardashian on Hand for BFF Lala Vazquez's Wedding

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2010410//425.vazquez.kardashian.lc.051010.jpg

Yeah, I got no idea why I'm reposting from gossip rags, either. Must be the lack of coffee. No really good pictures of the happy couple, sadly.

(h/t: Gail Collins (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/opinion/10collins.html), who puts all the names in boldface in her latest column, "The LeBron Angle to Everything.")

==========

[Added] The NYT's Off the Dribble (http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/james-in-new-york-for-anthonys-wedding/) blog continues wedding coverage with L'Angle du Jour ("James in New York for Anthony’s Wedding"). And never mind the Globe's provincialism, how about this headline (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/07/10/2010-07-10_lebron_james_shows_up_in_nyc_for_carmelo_anthon ys_wedding_after_spurning_knicks.html#ixzz0tNDMAbk 1) from the NY Daily News, with an extra dose of petulance?

LeBron James shows up in NYC for Carmelo Anthony's wedding after spurning Knicks

Sheesh. They got nothing on Dan Gilbert (http://www.slate.com/id/2260063/), that's for sure.

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* Back in the day, the Globe had such a reputation for provincialism that it was said if an atomic bomb went off in the nation's capital, the Globe's headline the next day would be: Hub Man Killed In DC Blast.

uncle ebeneezer
07-12-2010, 01:02 PM
Mark Kleiman (http://www.samefacts.com/2010/07/sports/whats-lebron-supposed-to-have-done-wrong/) on all the LeBron haters.

Additionally, the King's decision from the angle of game-theory (http://www.salon.com/news/lebron_james/index.html?story=/news/feature/2010/07/12/lebron_game_theory).

bjkeefe
07-12-2010, 02:24 PM
Who said I don't enjoy the games?

I didn't, but I do think you also look for reasons to complain about trivialities outside the games.

But, really, these people are sports writers. Saying they take this stuff "too seriously" is like saying that Lester Bangs cared "too much about rock music." They are expected to bring a level of criticism to the field.

Perhaps so, although as much of a rep as Bangs seems to enjoy, I've never understood why people thought we needed "rock critics" any more than we need "sports critics." I suppose some argument could be made for the former, in the spirit of film critics, in that they help people make decisions about what to spend their entertainment dollars on. And I suppose I could also be persuaded that to the extent art in general is worth critical attention, then at least some rock music deserves the same kind of look.

But sports? It's not that it never merits critical attention in my view, it's just it does not seem to merit even a hundredth as much as it does get, particularly on something like where LeBron James decides to go as a free agent. My own feeling about the matter is that there are too many people working too small a beat, plus there are too many people too often taking the lazy way out, just to have something to yammer about. Kinda like political pundits.

Jason Whitlock does it brilliantly - give him another chance, I implore you.

Well, I'm not going to say that if you post links to him in the future, I'll never click them again. (The way, say, I no longer follow 'fur's links to Breitbart or American "Thinker" except to the degree that I'm in a mood to mine for lulz.) On the other hand, I just don't have much taste or patience for people who get all worked up about some overblown "problem" in an area that I see as little more than a combination of a kids' game (played exceedingly well, granted) and an entertainment product. I like sports writers who strike me as having spent more effort on finding something worthwhile to say about the games or the players themselves -- e.g., Red Smith, Roger Kahn, Roger Angell, Thomas Boswell, Charlie Pierce, Joe Posnanski -- rather than seeing how much they can sound like the yapping heads on the Sunday morning cable "news" shows.

bjkeefe
07-13-2010, 02:33 PM
Yankees owner George Steinbrenner dies at 80

Daniel Trotta and Chelsea Emery
Reuters US Online Report Domestic News

Jul 13, 2010 10:17 EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - George Steinbrenner, the New York Yankees owner known as "The Boss" for his colorful and tempestuous style, died in Florida at age 80, his family and baseball club said on Tuesday.

Media reports said he suffered a massive heart attack at his home in Tampa and was rushed to hospital.

The above posted on TPM (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/07/yankees_owner_george_steinbrenner_dies_at_80.php). Nothing more there to make it worth clicking through.

However! The NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/sports/baseball/14steinbrenner.html?pagewanted=all) has a big ol' piece that, doubtless, most of their newsroom has been dreaming about running for decades now.

[Added] What, too soon?

Whatfur
07-13-2010, 02:52 PM
Even in death George S. found a way to try to steal some of the All-Star show.

bjkeefe
07-13-2010, 02:54 PM
The above posted on TPM (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/07/yankees_owner_george_steinbrenner_dies_at_80.php). Nothing more there to make it worth clicking through.

However! The NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/sports/baseball/14steinbrenner.html?pagewanted=all) has a big ol' piece that, doubtless, most of their newsroom has been dreaming about running for decades now.

[Added] What, too soon?

Stuef love (http://wonkette.com/416626/former-nixon-creep-and-baseball-player-buyer-george-steinbrenner-dies-of-dick-cheneys-disease):

Former Nixon CREEP And Baseball-Player Buyer George Steinbrenner Dies of Dick Cheney’s Disease

Now, that's headline writing we can believe in!

nikkibong
07-13-2010, 03:08 PM
i believe the LA Times has unearthed the only known picture of a smiling steinbrenner

uncle ebeneezer
07-13-2010, 03:29 PM
He must have just gotten finished torturing a puppy! (by the name of "Boston" ;-))

bjkeefe
07-13-2010, 05:25 PM
The above posted on TPM (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/07/yankees_owner_george_steinbrenner_dies_at_80.php). Nothing more there to make it worth clicking through.

However! The NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/sports/baseball/14steinbrenner.html?pagewanted=all) has a big ol' piece that, doubtless, most of their newsroom has been dreaming about running for decades now.

[Added] What, too soon?

Oh, for fuck's sake (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/07/13/drowning-in-a-sea-of-stupid/):

http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2010/07/Screen-shot-2010-07-13-at-8.02.49-AM.png

Unsurprising that a classless fat load like K-Lo blew the spelling of bred.

nikkibong
07-24-2010, 05:16 PM
Boxer takes dive?

http://www.newser.com/story/96377/did-this-boxer-take-a-dive.html

Sure looks like it.

bjkeefe
07-24-2010, 06:06 PM
Boxer takes dive?

http://www.newser.com/story/96377/did-this-boxer-take-a-dive.html

Sure looks like it.

Yeah. But it looked so blatant that I am immediately moved to wonder if something ... anything ... else could explain what happened. You'd think if you were going to throw a fight, you'd at least wait for a real punch before taking the dive.

bjkeefe
07-25-2010, 10:00 AM
Young Viewers Depart, and Fewer Young Drivers Enter

When the green flag waved to start the Daytona 500 in February, marking the beginning of the Nascar Sprint Cup season, not a single rookie driver was in the 43-car field. The last time that happened?

Never.

The Nascar rookie class of 2010 is virtually nonexistent, except for the unheralded, unrookie-like Kevin Conway, 31. Heading into Sunday’s race in Indianapolis, he is 35th in points driving for a small team that struggles to keep up with the multicar juggernauts of the sport.

Conway has no competition for the rookie of the year title. That is in part because Penske Racing’s Brad Keselowski, the most prominent first-year driver, is ineligible for rookie honors because he raced a partial schedule in 2009. But it is also part of a trend, with fewer competitive young drivers making an impact in recent years. The last time a high-profile team failed to produce a rookie of the year candidate was before the rise of megateams in the mid- to late 1990s.

It is perhaps a troubling precedent for Nascar, because it coincides with a decline in ratings in the all-important young male demographic. David Hill, the Fox Sports chairman and chief executive, recently said ratings among men 18 to 34 were down 29 percent from last year on Fox.

“The biggest problem facing Nascar is that the young males have left the sport,” Hill told The SportsBusiness Journal in May after Fox’s 13-race schedule had been completed.

The rest (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/sports/autoracing/25nascar.html).

chiwhisoxx
08-07-2010, 01:26 AM
Joe Posnanski (everyone who cares about sports and doesn't read him should light themselves on fire) just wrote a longish piece on roids and baseball. In it, he discusses an argument from a guy named Eric Walker who basically says everything we assumed about roids and baseball is wrong. The main thrust of the piece is questioning whether steroids really did lead to the post strike boom in homers. Really thoughtful and provocative, and confirmed some suspicions I've had for a long time.

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/08/06/what-if-we-are-wrong-again-about-steroids/?eref=sihp

bjkeefe
08-07-2010, 04:57 AM
Joe Posnanski (everyone who cares about sports and doesn't read him should light themselves on fire) just wrote a longish piece on roids and baseball. In it, he discusses an argument from a guy named Eric Walker who basically says everything we assumed about roids and baseball is wrong. The main thrust of the piece is questioning whether steroids really did lead to the post strike boom in homers. Really thoughtful and provocative, and confirmed some suspicions I've had for a long time.

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/08/06/what-if-we-are-wrong-again-about-steroids/?eref=sihp

Thanks for the link. That's not the best piece I've ever read by him (probably because I don't much care about Teh Steroid Issue), but in general, I'll second your recommendation of Joe Posnanski, though probably not in those exact words. @everyoneelse: His home page (http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/) is definitely worth a bookmark.

uncle ebeneezer
08-07-2010, 04:18 PM
Thanks for that link Chi, that was a pretty interesting article and I think it raises some very good points. I would love to hear a science saturday about the physics of various sports. We had that one about Nascar (yawn) but I think it would be interesting to take the idea of those Sports Science shows on ESPN and let the BHTV crew do them in more depth. I will definitely bookmark Joe's page.

uncle ebeneezer
08-10-2010, 02:28 PM
NBA Draft free-agent scorecard (http://arturogalletti.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/quick-free-agent-updated-and-introducing-the-automated-free-agency-scorecard/):

My Quick Thoughts & Grades by Team (the heart’s part) :

The order for the teams is based on the value over market.

Miami: Since my first review their roster actually improved. 14 players for about $76 million per year that netted an average of 78 wins per year for the last three years. Again, wow,just wow. The haters really need to recognize. My Grade: Eleventy

Chicago: The Bulls did not get exactly what they wanted but they still massively upgraded. Chicago went four out of six (Korver is marginal). 6 players for about $32 million per year that netted an average of 32 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: A+

Detroit: Detroit kept Ben Wallace and four of their current players. They may add T-mac cheap. That’s real forward looking. 5 players for about $10.5 million per year that netted an average of 17 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: B for good value but not enough

Phoenix: Classic Suns pantsing the league on Childress and cutting payroll. Adding Warrick as well more than replaces the value lost when Amare left. The only reason I withhold an A is Frye. Looking at their roster they may not be done yet. 4 players for about $20 million per year that netted an average of 19 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: B+ for now

Golden State : A forum on whether or not you like David Lee. Dorell Wright is good. Pargo is very,very,very,very bad . 3 players for about $18 million per year that netted an average of 18 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: B-, no selection bias here but really Pargo?!?!?

Orlando: The Magic keep bringing in average (.100 WP48 players). Great for the regular season not so much for the playoff. 4 players for about $13.6 million per year that netted an average of 15 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: C- for not doing enough to win a title

Lakers: As a Celtics fan, #$#%% #@%@@!!!! And they stole a guy in the 2nd round of the draft (Caracter). The Kobe deal (not included on the list as it happened in-season) could be the turd in the punch bowl in the future. The Shannon Brown deal is a rare misstep this off-season. 5 players for about $13 million per year that netted an average of 13 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: A-

Houston: Better than it looks. Yao re-upping for one year is worth a hundred million easy to that franchise. 6 players for about $47 million per year that netted an average of 33 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: B- (Jared Jeffries makes it so, because he’s no good)

Boston: Better on paper. I heart Pierce & Allen but they sure are creaky. Love me some pocket kryptonite. Jermaine O’Neal? Just Ugh! The Rondo deal (again not counted in the total as it happened in-season) & Shaq at the veteran Minimum keeps a passing grade. I’m hoping the Rudy Fernandez thing is true, oh please, pretty please. 6 players for about $39 million per year that netted an average of 27 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: C+ for My Creaky Celtics (see here for their new theme song)

Portland: Matthews is good but they need minutes for him. 2 players for about $14 million per year that netted an average of 10 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: Incomplete pending whatever trade they make.

Cleveland :Pretty much no one is walking through that door. Blow it up and build through the draft. 2 players for about $2 million per year that netted an average of 3 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: E for bad times on Lake Erie

Washington : Same as Cleveland,pretty much no one is walking through that door. Dan Gilbert take note, this team has already blown it up and is building through the draft. 1 players for about $4 million per year that netted an average of 3 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: B because the first step is to accept that we are powerless

Toronto:Meh. 3 players for about $12 million per year that netted an average of 8 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: D for doubt they’ll make the playoffs

Milwakee: Sneaky. Makes a good team, slightly better and deeper. Fell some Anxiety about the Deer! 3 players for about $15 million per year that netted an average of 9 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: B- for Bucks

Knicks: New York deserves and will get their own post. I will say that by breaking even they lapped the regime of Lord Thomas. They were doing so well and then they went to a past best left forgotten. 3 players for about $29 million per year that netted an average of 17 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: D- (C for the moves, -15 for Isiah, they passed but barely.) Go here for the full review

San Antonio: Love the Splitter deal at a minimum it gives them flexibility and saves Duncan for the playoffs at a maximum it sets them up for a dogfight with OKC and the Lakers for the West crown for the next few years. Don’t like the Jefferson deal.3 players for about $17 million per year that netted an average of 10 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: B for split returns

Clippers : A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. 4 players for about $11.6 million per year that netted an average of 6 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: C- for same old Clippers

Utah : Didn’t this team move to Chicago? 2 players for about $2 million per year that netted an average of 0 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: F for abseentism

OKC : Not a lot done. Presti thinks he has a good hand. Flipped players for picks.1 players for about $1 million per year that netted an average of 0 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: We will C about Cole

Pacers : Anytime you can overpay for a point guard you gotta do it right? (and to offset any possible bad karma, Larry Bird is the greatest player ever) . 1 players for about $8.5 million per year that netted an average of 4 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: F for F$%^ if I know what he’s thinking

Kings : Anytime you can bring in a defensive stopper from one of the worst defensive teams in the league you gotta do it right? 1 players for about $1 million per year that netted an average of -1 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: MalooF

Nets: Throwing some good money after bad. They’re getting a new GM though 7 players for about $25 million per year that netted an average of 12 wins per year for the last three years.My Grade: C- comrade

Charlotte: Sneaky. Young above average PF on the cheap (Thomas). Could be good but they need to start him. Shaun Livingston gives them an A for me. 3 players for about $18 million per year that netted an average of 8 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: A for Air

Atlanta : Question, what Free Agent contracts were signed that were immediately untradeable? Answer: Joe Johnson & Rudy Gay. 3 players for about $23 million per year that netted an average of 11 wins per year for the last three years. Grade: Z for Zombie franchise killer contracts.

Dallas: Cuban seem to delight at paying full price on day old cheese. Yes it tastes good now but pretty they’re past the expiration date. 4 players for about $43 million per year that netted an average of 22 wins per year for the last three years. Grade: D for Dirk is Dissapoint

Denver: Meh again. 4 players for about $25 million per year that netted an average of 11 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: D

Memphis: At least Atlanta got some wins out of the deal. 2 players for about $20 million per year that netted an average of 3 wins per year for the last three years. Grade: Omega

Minnesota:KHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4 players for about $28 million per year that netted an average of 6 wins per year for the last three years. Grade: F-

76ers : The Sixers payed good money to get worse. 3 players for about $12 million per year that netted an average of -4 wins per year for the last three years. My Grade: Divide by zero

Hornets: The URL Free Chris Paul is still available as we speak. 3 players for about $22 million per year that netted an average of 2 wins per year for the last three years My Grade: H for Hopeless Hornets

bjkeefe
08-10-2010, 02:39 PM
NBA Draft free-agent scorecard (http://arturogalletti.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/quick-free-agent-updated-and-introducing-the-automated-free-agency-scorecard/):

That was pretty interesting. Thanks.

How did you come across this blog?

uncle ebeneezer
08-10-2010, 02:47 PM
Ahh, yes I forgot to mention, via Yglesias (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/08/endame/).

bjkeefe
08-10-2010, 03:13 PM
Ahh, yes I forgot to mention, via Yglesias (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/08/endame/).

Thx.

chiwhisoxx
08-11-2010, 01:31 PM
NBA Draft free-agent scorecard (http://arturogalletti.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/quick-free-agent-updated-and-introducing-the-automated-free-agency-scorecard/):

This dude seems to only factor in Hollinger-esque numbers without adding in any actual basketball knowledge. The Bucks get a decent grade for throwing a ton of money at John Salmons and Drew Gooden? Really? The problem with only looking at value per based on cap numbers is that sometimes you have to overpay for a certain player depending on your cap situation, and it's not necessarily a bad move. The Rudy Gay contract was horrific, for example, but it's hard to see how the Grizz are in better shape if they let him walk, or wait for someone to give him a max offer sheet and have to think about matching that.

uncle ebeneezer
08-14-2010, 02:16 AM
By Jason Whitlock (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/gay-umpires-ordeal-shows-sad-state-of-sports-081310)

uncle ebeneezer
10-20-2010, 08:59 PM
So I was reading on a former bh commenter's blog, something about sports cliches and it reminded me of this great piece (http://fackyouk.blogspot.com/2009/11/athletes-memoir-david-foster-wallace.html) that DFW wrote in his essay "How Tracy Austin Broke My Heart." Audio clips are there. Check them out, especially the second one. I always thought his insight was pretty interesting.

bjkeefe
11-14-2010, 10:43 PM
Denver Nuggets Announce Plans To Move To New York For Carmelo Anthony

November 9, 2010 | ISSUE 46•44

DENVER—Nuggets president Josh Kroenke announced Thursday that although the franchise has been in Denver since 1967, the organization would be willing to move to New York City for star forward Carmelo Anthony if that's what it takes to keep him on the team. "It's important for him to know that we're committed to this relationship," Kroenke said at a press conference, adding that the team would try to find a small, cheap arena in Queens and see how things went from there. "Other than Carmelo and his basketball, the truth of the matter is we didn't have much keeping us in Denver. So maybe this will be a good change. Like we said when we first signed him in 2003: together forever." At press time, Kroenke assured Anthony that, were the move to happen, the Nuggets would be fine with "doing their own thing" and not spending every minute together.

(From (http://www.theonion.com/articles/denver-nuggets-announce-plans-to-move-to-new-york,18412/), via KK/email)

chiwhisoxx
11-14-2010, 10:48 PM
(From (http://www.theonion.com/articles/denver-nuggets-announce-plans-to-move-to-new-york,18412/), via KK/email)

I thank jeebus every day we didn't give up Noah for him

bjkeefe
11-16-2010, 07:24 AM
... but you'll love (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/pierce/2010/11/giant_steps.html) the last paragraph.

rfrobison
12-07-2010, 10:02 AM
I was saddened by the death of "Dandy Don" today. Spent many fun hours with my Dad watching "Monday Night Football" with him, Cosell and Gifford. None of the subsequent iterations of the MNF team even came close, IMHO.

AP story is here. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_obit_meredith_8)

bjkeefe
12-07-2010, 03:23 PM
I was saddened by the death of "Dandy Don" today. Spent many fun hours with my Dad watching "Monday Night Football" with him, Cosell and Gifford. None of the subsequent iterations of the MNF team even came close, IMHO.

AP story is here. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_obit_meredith_8)

Sorry to hear that, for your sake. I know the feeling of loss about that sort of connection.

I am surprised Meredith was only 72. Off the top of my head I would have guessed much older. The beginning of MNF seems like such a long time ago to me.

bjkeefe
04-08-2011, 06:53 PM
... by the Republican fetus-fetishists! How about a nice clean sports story?

Oh, wait.

Manny Ramirez retired from baseball Friday instead of facing a 100-game suspension for testing positive for a performance-enhancing drug, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Ramirez tested positive for the performance-enhancing drug during spring training and was recently informed of the positive result, according to the people.

In a news release, the commissioner’s office said it had recently notified Ramirez “of an issue under Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.”

The statement added, “Rather than continue with the process under the Program, Ramirez has informed M.L.B. that he is retiring as an active player.”

The commissioner’s office said that if Ramirez wanted to return to baseball, he would have to face discipline for his positive test.

The positive test in spring training was the third time Ramirez tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug.

The rest (http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/ramirez-retires-after-testing-positive/).

bjkeefe
04-10-2011, 10:21 AM
As I said elsewhere, my sense is that the problem with big-time college sports is a lot like the Israel/Palestine situation -- pretty much everyone knows about it, yet nothing ever gets done about it, and one gets the sense that nothing ever will get done about it.

Nonetheless, this piece by Joe Nocera illustrates the problem nicely (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/opinion/09nocera.html) and is worth a read. And who knows, maybe if we keep the problem in the spotlight, sanity may some day break out.

(h/t: Jack McCullough (http://rationalresistance.blogspot.com/), via Facebook)

operative
04-10-2011, 09:40 PM
As I said elsewhere, my sense is that the problem with big-time college sports is a lot like the Israel/Palestine situation -- pretty much everyone knows about it, yet nothing ever gets done about it, and one gets the sense that nothing ever will get done about it.

Nonetheless, this piece by Joe Nocera illustrates the problem nicely (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/opinion/09nocera.html) and is worth a read. And who knows, maybe if we keep the problem in the spotlight, sanity may some day break out.

(h/t: Jack McCullough (http://rationalresistance.blogspot.com/), via Facebook)

Big difference between I/P and NCAA: I think that most people are at least on philosophically the same ground about the NCAA, which currently is a terrific way for universities to exploit student athletes, making millions of dollars on them without paying them and working in cahoots with the NFL and the NBA to make sure that athletes pretty much have to remain in the system for a period of time.

bjkeefe
04-10-2011, 10:10 PM
Big difference between I/P and NCAA: I think that most people are at least on philosophically the same ground about the NCAA, which currently is a terrific way for universities to exploit student athletes, making millions of dollars on them without paying them and working in cahoots with the NFL and the NBA to make sure that athletes pretty much have to remain in the system for a period of time.

Good point. But really, it should read: most regular people, because clearly there are a lot of people (the ones in charge, mostly) who think things are just fine the way they are.

chiwhisoxx
05-27-2011, 03:47 AM
I hate everything.

Ocean
05-27-2011, 09:01 AM
I hate everything.


Oh, my. What happened?

graz
05-27-2011, 09:26 AM
Oh, my. What happened?

The Miami Heat happened. Please know that you ought to go easy on him today.

Ocean
05-27-2011, 10:00 AM
The Miami Heat happened. Please know that you ought to go easy on him today.

Ahhh... I had to look up the NBA results. I don't really follow sports, with few exceptions (Soccer World Cup).

Sorry, chiwhi.

operative
05-27-2011, 10:19 AM
I hate everything.

Welcome to the world of everyone outside of Miami. If the Heat win and the NBA doesn't institute a hard cap, basketball is done.

graz
05-27-2011, 10:21 AM
Welcome to the world of everyone outside of Miami. If the Heat win and the NBA doesn't institute a hard cap, basketball is done.

Liberty for thee, not for the three! (James, Wade, Bosh).

Ocean
05-27-2011, 10:44 AM
Liberty for thee, not for the three! (James, Wade, Bosh).

Yeah, how about the free market? We don't want more regulations, do we?

See, according to libertarian principles, let Miami Heat get all the best players by paying them billions if they so choose. They will always win. People will lose interest in the sport. The other teams will go bankrupt and disappear. So Miami won't have anyone to play with, and they will naturally go under too, or start lowering what they pay so that they can have some competition, etc. Just think of the multiple possibilities. There could be other sports created to substitute. Or basketball fans could start another American Revolution to regulate the game. Free markets do stimulate creativity. Free markets even stimulate the creation of regulations.

What would be the alternative? Leaving things as we know them an placing a salary cap regulation? Not a Free Market solution. Free markets are more fun. It's the roller-coaster path from here to the inevitable regulations.

operative
05-27-2011, 10:55 AM
Yeah, how about the free market? We don't want more regulations, do we?

See, according to libertarian principles, let Miami Heat get all the best players by paying them billions if they so choose. They will always win. People will lose interest in the sport. The other teams will go bankrupt and disappear. So Miami won't have anyone to play with, and they will naturally go under too, or start lowering what they pay so that they can have some competition, etc. Just think of the multiple possibilities. There could be other sports created to substitute. Or basketball fans could start another American Revolution to regulate the game. Free markets do stimulate creativity. Free markets even stimulate the creation of regulations.

What would be the alternative? Leaving things as we know them an placing a salary cap regulation? Not a Free Market solution. Free markets are more fun. It's the roller-coaster path from here to the inevitable regulations.

The NBA is less a collection of competitors than a single competitor within the world of major competitive sports, with an interest in ensuring a competitive environment. Elite player collusion can not happen.

graz
05-27-2011, 10:57 AM
The NBA is less a collection of competitors than a single competitor within the world of major competitive sports, with an interest in ensuring a competitive environment. Elite player collusion can not happen.

And a pony!

bjkeefe
05-27-2011, 11:33 AM
And a pony!

Also, since the Heat players are nationally known, and away from the court are quite sociable, they are by the operative's standard National Socialists.

Ocean
05-27-2011, 11:38 AM
Also, since the Heat players are nationally known, and away from the court are quite sociable, they are by the operative's standard National Socialists.

:)

stephanie
05-27-2011, 12:07 PM
The NBA is less a collection of competitors than a single competitor within the world of major competitive sports, with an interest in ensuring a competitive environment. Elite player collusion can not happen.

There have been antitrust cases relating to that. It's not so clear. My view is more similar to yours (although I think the hard cap is unnecessary and basketball can withstand a Heat victory no problem).

operative
05-27-2011, 12:10 PM
There have been antitrust cases relating to that. It's not so clear. My view is more similar to yours (although I think the hard cap is unnecessary and basketball can withstand a Heat victory no problem).

I may be overreacting to the possibility of the Heat's victory, admittedly. I just really, really don't like LeBron James and the way the Big 2 1/2 handled the whole affair, along with their decision.

chiwhisoxx
05-27-2011, 01:59 PM
There have been antitrust cases relating to that. It's not so clear. My view is more similar to yours (although I think the hard cap is unnecessary and basketball can withstand a Heat victory no problem).

basketball might be able to withstand a heat victory, but I don't think humanity can.

uncle ebeneezer
05-27-2011, 08:48 PM
It is that NATIONAL Basketball AsSOCIAtion!!!

handle
05-27-2011, 08:56 PM
basketball might be able to withstand a heat victory, but I don't think humanity can.

No sympathy here, our team drew the Mavs first round, and didn't do too bad, better than LA anyway. My prediction: The heat cannot defeat.

uncle ebeneezer
05-28-2011, 01:49 PM
I have to pull for Miami in the Finals. As much as I hate the hype around them, and I would love to see Dirk get a ring, I can't bear the thought of the most obnoxious super-fan on earth (second only to Jack Nicholson) and arrogant Republican a-hole, Mark Cuban, holding that trophy and celebrating.

handle
05-28-2011, 02:09 PM
I have to pull for Miami in the Finals. As much as I hate the hype around them, and I would love to see Dirk get a ring, I can't bear the thought of the most obnoxious super-fan on earth (second only to Jack Nicholson) and arrogant Republican a-hole, Mark Cuban, holding that trophy and celebrating.

I'm totally with you, and Cuban's a douche, but that defense... holy cow! But perhaps with our combined support, it will be heat in seven.

uncle ebeneezer
05-28-2011, 02:43 PM
The defense has been impressive. But I think the Big 3 are going to be a whole nother level of challenge for Dallas.

handle
05-28-2011, 02:49 PM
The defense has been impressive. But I think the Big 3 are going to be a whole nother level of challenge for Dallas.

Let us pray...

operative
05-28-2011, 04:15 PM
I'm totally with you, and Cuban's a douche, but that defense... holy cow! But perhaps with our combined support, it will be heat in seven.

You can always turn off the tv right after a fawning interview of Dirk following the four game sweep ;)

The Mavs are built to beat the Lakers, not the Heat. Their depth at 5 (Chandler, Haywood) don't mean all that much, because neither are offensive threats to make Joel Anthony much of a liability. The Heat have a huge advantage at 2 and 3, as Marion and Terry can't compete with DWade and LeBron (if Rudy Gay had been healthy, the Grizzlies might have presented the best matchup, as Tony Allen would neutralize DWade and Gay could keep up with LeBron fairly well). Kidd, despite being ancient, is still a better PG than Bibby or Chalmers, and has done an admirable job facing better PGs in the playoffs.

The Mavs have a deeper bench and maybe a better coach. But ultimately it all comes down to Dirk. He has to be Bird-like for the Mavs to win. He's had some amazing games, so it's possible, but that's asking a lot.

popcorn_karate
05-31-2011, 03:07 PM
I'm totally with you, and Cuban's a douche, but that defense... holy cow! But perhaps with our combined support, it will be heat in seven.

as blazer fan, you have to root for the Mavs - that leads to the theory that the blazers could only be beaten by the champions, rather than being just another bunch of 1st round losers.

plus - lebron fucking James. case closed.

handle
05-31-2011, 03:17 PM
as blazer fan, you have to root for the Mavs - that leads to the theory that the blazers could only be beaten by the champions, rather than being just another bunch of 1st round losers.

plus - lebron fucking James. case closed.

I think the vindication for the Blazers has already come in the form of a laker sweep. Can't root for the Mavs, because of Unc's astute take on their owner. My response to him (let us pray) was a plea to the great metaphor for a Heat victory.... in seven though, we want to see some ball games!

chiwhisoxx
05-31-2011, 04:06 PM
I think the vindication for the Blazers has already come in the form of a laker sweep. Can't root for the Mavs, because of Unc's astute take on their owner. My response to him (let us pray) was a plea to the great metaphor for a Heat victory.... in seven though, we want to see some ball games!

you seem to view sports as "find the conservative memmber of an organization, then root against that team". that seems weird to me. one of the best parts of sports to me is how disconnected it is from political bullshit. it's a great escape, and I would drive myself crazy if I spent time rooting against the Lakers because Phil Jackson donates to Democratic politicians.

handle
05-31-2011, 04:11 PM
you seem to view sports as "find the conservative memmber of an organization, then root against that team". that seems weird to me. one of the best parts of sports to me is how disconnected it is from political bullshit. it's a great escape, and I would drive myself crazy if I spent time rooting against the Lakers because Phil Jackson donates to Democratic politicians.

The guy has no class and acts like a total douche, I am not even aware of his politics off court. But that's just one of the reasons I am rooting for the heat, and I don't need even one, so there!

chiwhisoxx
05-31-2011, 04:55 PM
The guy has no class and acts like a total douche, I am not even aware of his politics off court. But that's just one of the reasons I am rooting for the heat, and I don't need even one, so there!

oh, nevermind then.

operative
05-31-2011, 05:05 PM
you seem to view sports as "find the conservative memmber of an organization, then root against that team". that seems weird to me. one of the best parts of sports to me is how disconnected it is from political bullshit. it's a great escape, and I would drive myself crazy if I spent time rooting against the Lakers because Phil Jackson donates to Democratic politicians.

Yeah, I agree. Grant Hill is a big-time lefty, but I still root for the Suns (and I like him anyway). I don't root against the Bucks because of their owner. And I don't cheer on Spencer Hawes because he's a Republican.

(insert observation in the difference of public/private spheres between liberals and conservatives in America)

chiwhisoxx
09-11-2011, 06:51 PM
BEAR DOWN. that is all.