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Whatfur
04-19-2010, 09:20 PM
They have California. (http://city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html)

JonIrenicus
04-20-2010, 03:24 AM
great cartoons


This is my favorite

http://city-journal.org/assets/images/20_2-sm1.jpg

Ocean
04-20-2010, 07:28 AM
You guys are funny.

Sure, look at the luxurious life that all those union workers live! I'll ask the garbage collectors what designers clothes they wear.

And the poor taxpayers starving! Are you including corporations among the taxpayers? Oh, no, they wouldn't be in this cartoon. Their execs are flying their private jets and sailing their yachts... silly me!

:)

Whatfur
04-20-2010, 09:32 AM
You guys are funny.

Sure, look at the luxurious life that all those union workers live! I'll ask the garbage collectors what designers clothes they wear.

And the poor taxpayers starving! Are you including corporations among the taxpayers? Oh, no, they wouldn't be in this cartoon. Their execs are flying their private jets and sailing their yachts... silly me!

:)

Ocean nails it...with her final 2 words. Seriously, is that all "ya got"?

I grew up in an area that was destroyed by unions. My best friend's small business was closed down by his workers unionizing. Then there is Michigan, California...

What about union execs and their jets?
You might want to read the article instead of just looking at the cartoons.

Ocean
04-20-2010, 06:16 PM
What about union execs and their jets?
You might want to read the article instead of just looking at the cartoons.

Yes, 'fur you got it again. I only commented on the idiocy of the cartoon.

... Seriously, is that all "ya got"?


For you 'fur, more than enough.

Whatfur
04-20-2010, 06:51 PM
Yes, 'fur you got it again. I only commented on the idiocy of the cartoon.

For you 'fur, more than enough.

Ahhh. Ok then I can look at your comments as parody of parody although that kind of bastardizes the definition. In any case, if you give me a warning next time that you are only venturing into the shallow end, I will not bother responding. Thanks.

Whatfur
04-20-2010, 10:42 PM
Our friend Mickey talks about unions and doesn't pull any punches with Boxer.

"...Boxer doesn't need more money. She needs more spine..." (http://kausforcalifornia.com/news/newsitem.php?section=PRS&id=8376&showcat=2&seq=1)

Whatfur
04-22-2010, 09:17 PM
How about New Jersey where teachers unions continue to ruin the education system? (http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2010/04/22/the_thunder_roars_in_trenton?page=full&comments=true)

Ocean
04-22-2010, 09:43 PM
How about New Jersey where teachers unions continue to ruin the education system? (http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2010/04/22/the_thunder_roars_in_trenton?page=full&comments=true)

How about the new Republican Governor who is cutting funding (http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2010/03/22/25559/) to schools?

So he campaigned on not increasing taxes. He then cuts funding to schools. School districts have to make up for some of the difference. Real estate taxes go up.

Whatfur
04-22-2010, 09:47 PM
How about the new Republican Governor who is cutting funding to schools?

Is that how you see it? I take it you once again are commenting without having read the article.

Ocean
04-22-2010, 09:48 PM
Is that how you see it? I take it you once again are commenting without having read the article.

Yes, I don't read your articles. You can in return not read mine. Deal?

Whatfur
04-22-2010, 10:08 PM
Yes, I don't read your articles. You can in return not read mine. Deal?

Pretty sure the key here is not in the reading but in the responding.
In any case, suit yourself and I will do the same.

Ocean
04-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Pretty sure the key here is not in the reading but in the responding.
In any case, suit yourself and I will do the same.

I'm starting to like you. ;)


PS: I have a little bit of fever, so I can't take full responsibility for having said that.

Whatfur
04-22-2010, 10:40 PM
I'm starting to like you. ;)


PS: I have a little bit of fever, so I can't take full responsibility for having said that.

Don't do that. It would take the fun out of spanking you.

TwinSwords
04-23-2010, 05:57 AM
You guys are funny.

Sure, look at the luxurious life that all those union workers live! I'll ask the garbage collectors what designers clothes they wear.

And the poor taxpayers starving! Are you including corporations among the taxpayers? Oh, no, they wouldn't be in this cartoon. Their execs are flying their private jets and sailing their yachts... silly me!

:)

It's funny how much conservatives resent a working class person making a decent middle class income instead of suffering in poverty, which is, frankly, the alternative they wish for in undermining unions.

Here's a funny post (http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2010/04/encounters-with-random-southerners.html) from one of my favorite irreverent blogs, Instaputz:


Encounters with random southerners

I hate this country. Or at least flying in it.

Pilot "Well folks, we should be on our way in just a second. Turns out that when the folks in maintenance serviced that engine, they drained the oil and forgot to replace it. Ha ha!"

Passenger seated next to Ed: "FUCKIN' UNION MECHANICS. PROBABLY IN A HURRY TO GO ON ONE OF THEIR DOZEN BREAKS EVERY DAY."

Ed: "The reason they do maintenance in Georgia is because it isn't unionized. They used to do it in St. Louis, Chicago, Cincinnati, and Indianapolis. They moved it to Birmingham and Atlanta so they could pay untrained people $12/hr to do the same work. I mean, the planes have five times as much downtime now and they don't do the work correctly, but it's cheap."

Passenger seated next to Ed: "FUCKING UNIONS."

Ed, after a considerable pause: "Heading to a big Tea Party convention in Chicago?"

Passenger seated next to Ed: "WHAT? NO."

Ed: "So, something else in Chicago for people who are impervious to facts?"

On the plus side, he didn't try to talk to me after that and I read my Baffler in peace.

So, yeah. The wingnuts have their narrative, and there's no reasoning them out of it.

This makes a good companion piece to Nikkibong's recent article (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=159832#post159832) about the conservative resentment of poor people who don't pay enough taxes. Together they give us a picture of Republicans who are agitating to increase the taxes and decrease the wages of the working class.

Republicans really suck. It's not enough for them to cut special deals and favors for the rich and powerful; they are also determined to screw everyone else.

Whatfur
04-23-2010, 08:09 AM
Keep riding your stereotypes...that dead horse has gotten you far.

Whatfur
04-23-2010, 06:47 PM
Illinois? Where the beautiful people hang out. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSh7WUK1GDc)

Starwatcher162536
04-23-2010, 09:32 PM
Ed: "The reason they do maintenance in Georgia is because it isn't unionized. They used to do it in St. Louis, Chicago, Cincinnati, and Indianapolis. They moved it to Birmingham and Atlanta so they could pay untrained people $12/hr to do the same work. I mean, the planes have five times as much downtime now and they don't do the work correctly, but it's cheap."

The above illlustrates why I have never placed much stock in the argument that we should have a weak centrilized goverment so we can run 50 experiments in parrallel and see what works.

As long as trade, people, and capital can cross state lines largely unfettered it is an invalid analogy.

Starwatcher162536
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
I shudder at what I am starting here, but I'm going to say it anyways.

Whenever I think about economic / size of gov't positions held by many poor caucasians I am always reminded about conversations I have heard related to the "ethnicity and IQ" issue. It almost like I can hear in their head "Damn, those studies show my group is dumber then Jews and Asians. Oh well, as long as it shows that my group is better then those damn ******s and wetbacks it's all okay".

Whatfur
04-23-2010, 10:33 PM
I shudder at what I am starting here, but I'm going to say it anyways.

Whenever I think about economic / size of gov't positions held by many poor caucasians I am always reminded about conversations I have heard related to the "ethnicity and IQ" issue. It almost like I can hear in their head "Damn, those studies show my group is dumber then Jews and Asians. Oh well, as long as it shows that my group is better then those damn ******s and wetbacks it's all okay".

Earth to Starwatcher. Earth to Starwatcher.

TwinSwords
04-23-2010, 11:38 PM
The above illlustrates why I have never placed much stock in the argument that we should have a weak centrilized goverment so we can run 50 experiments in parrallel and see what works.

As long as trade, people, and capital can cross state lines largely unfettered it is an invalid analogy.

Yes, you're exactly right, and I agree that federal law -- even international law -- are the solution to problems like this one. The key words in your post are "largely unfettered." We can still have our 50 state laboratories, but with certain labor and environmental standards that are non-negotiable. As a resident of Michigan, the example of this problem I'm most keenly aware of is Clinton's NAFTA. When NAFTA was being considered by Congress, there was an opportunity to include certain labor and environmental standards to protect American workers and the American economy from unfair 3rd world competition. But the people writing the legislation didn't want to protect American workers or our economy, they wanted to undermine them -- and they did, with results known well to all. The fact is that laws like NAFTA favor the third world over the US: you can hire 20 or 30 factory workers in hellish slums overseas for the price of a single American worker, and you don't have to pay them benefits, overtime, pensions, etc. Likewise, the factories are not required to meet the same safety and environmental standards that US factories must meet. Quite simply, "free trade" agreements like NAFTA are part of a deliberate strategy to put irresistable downward pressure on American wages and standards. The results, again, have been exactly what the authors of the legislation intended.

It didn't have to be this way; we could have written minimum labor and environmental standards into NAFTA. It seems to me we should be trying to bring the 3rd world UP to our standards, but in fact the plutocrats are bringing the United States DOWN to 3rd world standards.

Incidentally, this doesn't just apply to unskilled labor. I work in the IT field and my company has outsourced hundreds of jobs to India and China. The statistics I heard are that we pay about $2800 per year for a skilled Indian IT worker, or about 5% of what an American would be paid to do the same work. Even with all the considerable disadvantages that come with outsourcing work to India and China (time delay, language issues, quality of work, lack of committment, and, with respect to China, rampant corporate espionage), it's hard to resist the temptation when you can hire 20 Chinese or Indians to replace a single American.

Whatfur
05-02-2010, 10:14 PM
Is that a camel nose? (http://townhall.com/columnists/KatiePacker/2010/05/01/more_proof_big_labors_unionizations_costs_jobs)

kezboard
05-02-2010, 11:08 PM
It would take the fun out of spanking you.

Gross.

Whatfur
05-03-2010, 07:50 AM
Gross.

Intellectual spankings can be quite painful. I am not sure "gross" describes it, but this is an area where your being on the receiving end far more than most might make you the expert. Or maybe I have misread your misconstruing...are you putting in an order for 144?

In any case, nice to see I have you scanning my posts...be careful, you might learn something.

Whatfur
05-03-2010, 04:18 PM
They have California. (http://city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html)

But California has Mickey? (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-kaus-20100503,0,1456853.story)

Whatfur
05-03-2010, 04:40 PM
We WILL be running on it! (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/gordon/287941)

Whatfur
05-14-2010, 08:37 PM
Unions and Obama... (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703339304575240350067273536.html?m od=WSJ_newsreel_opinion)

Whatfur
05-24-2010, 05:56 PM
This should cause some anger from both sides. What a bunch of pukes. (http://biggovernment.com/libertychick/2010/05/24/seiu-huffpo-and-media-matters-is-an-unholy-alliance-about-to-unravel/)

[added] Do examine the story's links too.

Maybe a movie in here somewhere...it can star Travolta and Newton-John and can be called Greece II.

Whatfur
05-26-2010, 10:15 PM
Hey Zeke! Remind you of a Tea party?!! (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/26/nina-easton-what-i-saw-at-the-seiu-thug-protest-at-that-bankers-home/)

These pukes and the bottle throwers down in AZ need a little talking to. Obama? Where the hell are you? Down managing the gulf????

103

Nope. (http://www.hughhewitt.com/blog/g/0802c272-9161-4fa5-b17d-2a88c4a9d0e5)

104

Whatfur
06-04-2010, 06:10 PM
You can check in any time you like... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ksLlAi3iIc)

Whatfur
06-07-2010, 10:25 PM
Tide turning? (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38183.html)

Whatfur
06-07-2010, 10:26 PM
Bill Clinton slamming unions!?! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PqHAFADdxs)

Whatfur
06-09-2010, 08:14 AM
Bill Clinton slamming unions!?! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PqHAFADdxs)

10 million in union dues flushed down the toilet. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0610/White_House_official_Organized_labor_just_flushed_ 10_million_of_their_members_money_down_the_toilet_ .html?showall)

Whatfur
06-11-2010, 08:23 AM
...and they would like to do it in secret (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Labor-blows-another-_10-million-on-card-check-95977759.html).

Whatfur
08-12-2010, 10:27 PM
Hmmmm. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm)

bjkeefe
08-12-2010, 10:39 PM
Hmmmm. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm)

What are you trying to say here? Another proof of the wonders of the free market? The inevitable result of decades of Republican-led crony capitalism? That stagnant growth in wages near the median level of income means we should cut taxes on the super-rich?

Whatfur
08-12-2010, 11:33 PM
What are you trying to say here? Another proof of the wonders of the free market? The inevitable result of decades of Republican-led crony capitalism? That stagnant growth in wages near the median level of income means we should cut taxes on the super-rich?

I think the article is merely pointing out that there are some cost savings to be had.

Whatfur
08-15-2010, 08:44 AM
"We were told it was to keep teachers from being laid off and "for the children." In reality, it was a cynical taxpayer-funded payback to teachers' unions, which gave Obama and his party enthusiastic support and millions in donations in the last election." (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/543800/201008131907/Jobbed-In-America.aspx)

Whatfur
08-16-2010, 03:34 PM
How dare you try and evaluate the effectiveness of teachers with TESTS!!!! (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-teachers-react-20100816,0,6701929.story)

Whatfur
09-03-2010, 07:21 AM
Union thuggery? (http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/09/03/big_labors_legacy_of_violence)

handle
09-03-2010, 09:08 PM
Union thuggery? (http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/09/03/big_labors_legacy_of_violence)

Happy labor day weekend to you too, scumbag.

Whatfur
09-15-2010, 09:12 PM
"The early 21st century version of tax rebellion is a head-on collision between overburdened taxpayers and public-sector unions. The many signs of union weakness suggest that after decades of expanding power, government-worker unions may have finally met their match." (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703466704575490043018544042.html)