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bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 04:03 AM
This is a thread that probably should have been started long ago, but ... better late than never, maybe.

So, to start us off with something quite recent, let us visit the official website of one of the two major political parties in the most powerful nation on Earth: GOP.com (http://gop.com/).

(via (http://wonkette.com/414374/aaaaaand-gopcom-redirects-to), via (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/03/digital-chameleon-gopcom-rebrands-itself-as-fire-pelosi.html))

Hmmm ... interesting redirection there. And probably the flames surrounding the Speaker of the US House of Representatives and the prominent word BOMB "are just metaphors," amirite?

Please feel to contribute examples as you come across them. It is important to document the atrocities.

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[Added] For historical purposes, since this redirection will probably not last: as of this posting, gop.com redirects to http://www.gop.com/firepelosi/

[Added2] For several other examples, see also the thread titled "HCR and the right's reaction (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?t=5055);" e.g., here (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155313#post155313), here (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155294#post155294), here (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155302#post155302), here (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155368#post155368), and here (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155381#post155381).

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 06:40 AM
Screenshot from bow-tied twerp Tucker Carlson's new "news" site, just in case there was any doubt remaining about his being a full metal wingnut (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/03/22/tucker-carlson-wants-to-rule-mark-halperins-world-and-this-is-not-a-sexual-euphemism/).

http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2010/03/Screen-shot-2010-03-22-at-6.49.23-PM1.png

Or at least, desperate to pander to them. Which is worse.

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 07:32 AM
Remember the brick (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155057&highlight=brick#post155057) that was thrown through the window of the office of my Representative, Louise Slaughter?

Turns out (http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Health-Care-Reform-Leads-to-Threats/TAZWZcNqz0aapIAGYDut-A.cspx) (via (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/23/exremist/)) there were other bricks thrown through other Democratic offices in the same area, too, including one with this (http://www.13wham.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=6556064c-6ac3-46cf-9aa4-8006603badf8) note:*

http://www.13wham.com/media/lib/16/2/5/2/252fa0d3-764b-471b-b4b4-0fe5be2be1b0/Original.jpg

and that Slaughter also received a threat of assassination via "recorded message" at her office last Thursday.

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* Ironic that a t-bagger would forget that one letter, don't you think?

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 10:39 AM
... <strike>fapped</strike> asked (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/299617.php) this past weekend:

Ready to Riot?

I ran out on some errands this morning, and noticed several things.

The gun store downtown was doing what I suspect was unusually brisk business for an early Saturday morning outside of hunting season. This same gun store's parking lot was overflowing mid-afternoon yesterday shortly after 3:30 PM, with traffic filling the lot, the nearby on-street parking filled, and overflow parking spilling into the gravel lot next door.

I've also seen a minivan with a warning/threat against Obamacare written in red paint on the windows (I didn't get a great look at it as it was moving in the opposite direction, but I got the gist of it).

This is hardly the equivalent of militiamen forming on the village green, but there seems to be a distinct undercurrent of frustration and rage building against the federal government in general, the tricks of Democratic Party in specific, and tomorrow's Obamacare may be the catalyst.

I don't sense any organization, but strong sentiment appears to be brewing. Is anyone else seeing similar behavior where they live?

In another recent post, he says (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/299691.php) he "proudly stand[s] by" his statement that "the next one of these jackasses that calls #healthcare a 'right' deserves to be drawn and quartered." He also says the same should be done to "the Democrats who crammed this unwarranted bill down the throats of the American people."

[Added: A comment (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/29474.html) left under this post is nut-picking to a degree, but it does illustrate what this kind of talk produces: drooling readers eagerly chiming in, and upping the ante.]

In yet another (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/299704.php):

Where do we go from here?

Some are calling for the armed revolt against this encroaching tyranny. It was for this specific reason, after all, that our Founders made sure Americans would not be denied the use of arms.

This will later be referred to as "the morally-required alternative." He wags a finger at the brick-throwers (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155462#post155462), because:

This sort of petty vandalism is not what the Founders sought to protect.

Oh, good.

Oh, wait.

They sought to protect our right to replace—yes, overthow—would-be tyrants and rouges that history has taught us always eventually arrive to usurp power and run roughshod over the rights of the people.

Rouges? Interesting Freudian slip (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2009/10/oh-hey-two-new-books.html) there, Bob.

He goes on to reminisce fondly about the Battle of Athens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29)* and reminds us, with increasing tumescence, "We live in a nation full of freshly-experienced combat veterans and graying patriots," but somehow, does not see fit to mention a more recent and better-known (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh#Military_career) combat veteran patriot. Maybe the dog-whistle was apparent enough?

How significant is Bob Owens? Eh, hard to say. Big enough, though, to get a gig (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/author/bobowens/) with Pajamas Media, an earlier one (http://www.newsbusters.org/blog/702) with Brent Bozell (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Brent_Bozell)'s Media Research Center, and profiled (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/27/AR2006022700995.html) by the Washington Post.

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* Yeah, me neither. But I guess they fantasize (http://www.google.com/cse?cx=007432832765683203066%3Azj_ist-lct4&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Battle+of+Athens%22+OR+%22McMinn+County%22&sa=Search&siteurl=www.google.com%2Fcse%2Fhome%3Fcx%3D0074328 32765683203066%253Azj_ist-lct4) about this quite a bit. Wolverines!!!1!

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 11:06 AM
Speaking to a crowd of teabaggers Sunday night, after the House passed its HCR bill, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) encouraged secession and violence (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/22/king-health-secession/):

If I could start a country with a bunch of people, they’d be the folks who were standing with us the last few days. Let’s hope we don’t have to do that! Let’s beat that other side to a pulp! Let’s take them out. Let’s chase them down. There’s going to be a reckoning!

(via (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/if_at_first_you_dont_secede/), via (http://zandarvts.blogspot.com/2010/03/picking-up-your-ball-and-seceding-from.html))

kezboard
03-23-2010, 12:04 PM
James Zogby at the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/frightening-gop-behavior_b_508969.html) on violations of Lambchop's law as frightening behavior. I don't really like the whole warnings of creeping totalitarianism thing, but I like that he pinpointed the same phenomenon that all the commenters here did earlier.

TwinSwords
03-23-2010, 01:09 PM
It's not going to take long for this thread to fill up.

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 01:15 PM
James Zogby at the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/frightening-gop-behavior_b_508969.html) on violations of Lambchop's law as frightening behavior. I don't really like the whole warnings of creeping totalitarianism thing, but I like that he pinpointed the same phenomenon that all the commenters here did earlier.

That is a good post. Thanks for the link. I agree he probably didn't need to throw that T-word in there; on the other hand, a minority faction claiming to speak for "the people" does have some disturbing historical resonances.

BTW: Just in case anyone else is hesitating about clicking, the author is not that dubious pollster guy. Completely different person.

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 07:56 PM
Here is a flyer (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4454362497_a71932f7de_o.jpg) that Heather Armstrong (http://dooce.com/2010/03/22/mommyblogging) recently found tucked in her doorway.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4454362497_a71932f7de_o.jpg

This organization, America Forever, appears quite well-funded, judging by their (http://www.americaforever.com/) website -- for one thing, it costs a lot to host your own video, rather than putting it up on YouTube. (Looks like someone has posted a copy on YouTube, too, for the record.)

If you'd rather not sit through their latest, "Obama Killer Song," here is a partial description of what's in it, from the Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13802154):

The video, now playing on YouTube, features a man who appears to be light-skinned wearing a full-head Obama mask. Three men sing as the Obama figure skulks into a bedroom to "kill grandma" by strangling her in her sleep. He snatches a "U.S. Constitution" from an infant and burns it. He interrupts a CIA agent waterboarding a suspect and uses a noose -- a noose! -- to choke the agent.

It just gets worse: a couple of GI Joe figures holding hands, rainbows in the classroom. The Obama figure ducks into a room and emerges, transgendered, in a pink jacket and feather boa.

And the worst: the figure approaches a pregnant woman drowsing in a chair and stabs her belly repeatedly.

Oh, and the Obama figure with a scoped rifle taking aim at political opponents. The video ends, predictably, with a nuclear blast ...

More information on America Forever in that column. From that and a glance at Google, it looks like this group used to be driven exclusively by their anti-gay hate. Good to see them branching out, huh?

(h/t for the dooce link: mistermix (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/24/not-an-economist-but-i-have-a-working-brain/))

TwinSwords
03-24-2010, 08:26 PM
Talking Points Memo has decided to put up an interactive map (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/map_a_guide_to_recent_vandal_attacks_on_democrats. php?ref=fpblg) to visualize and track the wave of violence, threats, and vandalism committed by conservatives in recent days.

You might want to bookmark that page, because we're obviously now seeing what TPM describes as the beginnings of a domestic terror campaign (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/getting_out_of_hand.php?ref=fpblg) against Democrats.

Ocean
03-24-2010, 08:49 PM
I'm also hoping that FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and all Homeland security forces are keeping track of threats of potential violent actions.

claymisher
03-24-2010, 09:50 PM
What these guys want is a general strike, but they're too anti-socialist to know it.

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 10:05 PM
Below is how "alarmrideratl (http://restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/rules-of-non-engagement-for-the-big-day-pt-1/)" (aka restoretheconstitution@alarmandmuster.com) plans to present himself on 19 April 2010, at the "Restore the Constitution rally." This will be held at Gravelly Point Park, Virginia, billed elsewhere (http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/02/restore-constitution-open-carry-rally.html) as "based on research so far, the closest carry-legal location to [Washington] DC."

Does the 19th of April have any significance? Yes. It is the day Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City.

In another, more recent, post (http://restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/so-what-are-we-fighting-for-pt-2/), this guy begins:

It doesn’t look like the “conventional” forms of protest (signs, chants, phone calls, emails) that we’ve been using so far are having enough of an impact on our representatives. Been there, done that, let’s try something else.

Hurrah for the democratic process! And patience, also, too!

Steve M. at No More Mister Nice Blog (http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2010/03/intimidators-intimidator-wannabes-and.html) (via (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/24/take-your-wingnuts-to-washington/)) has a bunch more on this event.

http://restoretheconstitution.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/your-rights-use-em-or-lose-em.jpg?w=500&h=612

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P.S. Screen grab (http://img707.yfrog.com/i/guerrillasniper.png/) from another post (http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/03/guerrilla-sniper.html) on the site linked to above as "elsewhere:"

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1364/guerrillasniper.png

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 10:06 PM
The following appears on Sarah Palin's Twitter feed (http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/10935548053):

Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.
10:01 PM Mar 23rd via OpenBeak

Here's what she refers to on her Facebook page: a map of "20 House Democrats," with their locations marked with obvious cross-hairs (http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#!/notes/sarah-palin/dont-get-demoralized-get-organized-take-back-the-20/373854973434).

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs454.ash1/24972_382925783587_24718773587_3655178_2736968_n.j pg

Accompanying text includes this:

We’ll aim for these races and many others. This is just the first salvo in a fight ...

Backup copies of the Tweet and Facebook graphic here (http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/03/sarah-palin-reload.html).

(h/t: John Cole (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/24/take-your-wingnuts-to-washington/))

TwinSwords
03-24-2010, 11:51 PM
What these guys want is a general strike, but they're too anti-socialist to know it.

They are planning one -- April 15 - 18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUTehVEszTg).

They say it's our "last chance to do something peacefully."


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AemJeff
03-25-2010, 12:25 AM
You didn't think that title wasn't ironic, did you? What a piece of shit that woman is.

Condemning Threats, Condemning Assumptions (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/24/condemning-threats-condemning-assumptions/)

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The fact that plenty of Republicans get threats every day and nobody says a thing notwithstanding, taking Hoyer’s words at face value, as a conservative Republican, I condemn real threats of violence almost as much as I condemn desperate claims that are manufactured in a cheap attempts to further broken agendas. That said, I’d like Rep. Hoyer and people of all political stripes to condemn the assumption that any physical threats of retribution over the health care bill are coming from Republicans.

Sure, maybe some of us owe Steny an apology for over-reacting to the completely unfounded fear that thousands of IRS agents may soon be monitoring our blood pressure, collecting urine samples and making sure we haven’t kicked our 25-year-old kids out of our basements and off our insurance doles — but, as sure as Bart Stupak’s already secretly working on his concession speech, I know this bothers more than just Republicans.

Steny’s been busy serving the constitution the way a dog serves a fire hydrant, so maybe he hasn’t had time to notice, but a solid majority of the country is against this bill that recently passed through the Senate and House, and is in the process of passing through America like shards of glass through the bowels of a hemophiliac. Hoyer may not have taken the time to consider that Americans are incensed by the passage of this bill, and as such there’s a slight chance that non-Republicans are less than happy too.

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TwinSwords
03-25-2010, 12:28 AM
Wow. It's almost like she's saying "not only Republicans have reason to fantasize about violence and make threats!!"

TwinSwords
03-25-2010, 12:33 AM
There is so much more I could have added to this Republicans-advocating-violence thread today, if only I had more time.

This really is, I'm sure, the most under-reported story of the last year. I wish someone could explain to me why it goes almost completely unremarked upon.

I've said it a zillion times, but if you follow Republican blogs, or read comments on newspaper articles or on youtube videos, or listen to the people who call into radio or TV call-in shows, it's a constant drumbeat of conservatives calling for violent retribution against Democrats and liberals. And it's not just the base: the leadership of the party and the conservative movement are doing it, too. Sarah Palin herself just issued a demand that her followers "reload" and "take aim" at a list of Congressmen she identified on a map with rifle scopes.

It's a deliberate campaign of incitement and intimidation.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2981/palincrosshairs.jpg

bjkeefe
03-25-2010, 01:50 AM
The House Minority Leader, John Boehner (R-Ohio), speaking to National Review, 18 Mar 2010 (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTc1OWI4MjFkY2Y5YWQ5Y2MxMmYxZDc2MDM5N2QxNmM=), about a Democratic colleague from his same state:

“Take [Rep.] Steve Driehaus, for example,” he says. “He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati."

Shortly afterward, an attack ad ran in a local newspaper, The Cincinnati Inquirer, featuring a picture of Driehaus with his kids, and anti-HCR bloggers also posted directions to his house.

Driehaus is one of a number of Democratic members of Congress who have received death threats since the bill passed. Rachel Maddow reports: part one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IUurLUJ2r4), part two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNGfEptVq8).

listener
03-25-2010, 02:20 AM
Steny’s been busy serving the constitution the way a dog serves a fire hydrant

Putting aside for a moment the ugly hateful vitriol, isn't "Constitution" supposed to be capitalized? Freudian slip, perhaps.

bjkeefe
03-25-2010, 03:59 AM
You didn't think that title wasn't ironic, did you? What a piece of shit that woman is.

It continues, unsurprisingly, and she's getting her fans riled up. Reports LGF (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36021_Malkins_Wingnuts_Seriously_Cheesed_Off):

To Michelle Malkin, if President Obama shows any sign of being even slightly happy about the success of his health care reform bill, it’s “gloating (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/21/the-gloater-in-chief-another-stone-laid-in-the-foundation-of-the-american-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-909141).”

And in the comments for her thread (among dozens of comments talking about buying food, guns, and ammunition, joining militias, and going on “a war footing”), “Snowfire” tries to raise the plummeting morale by posting the poem “Invictus” by William Ernest Henley — which also happens to be the final statement of Timothy McVeigh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McVeigh#Incarceration_and_execution).

listener
03-25-2010, 04:27 AM
The House Minority Leader, John Boehner (R-Ohio), speaking to National Review, 18 Mar 2010 (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTc1OWI4MjFkY2Y5YWQ5Y2MxMmYxZDc2MDM5N2QxNmM=), about a Democratic colleague from his same state:

Shortly afterward, an attack ad ran in a local newspaper, The Cincinnati Inquirer, featuring a picture of Driehaus with his kids, and anti-HCR bloggers also posted directions to his house.

Driehaus is one of a number of Democratic members of Congress who have received death threats since the bill passed. Rachel Maddow reports: part one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IUurLUJ2r4), part two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNGfEptVq8).

I've been listening to some of the recorded messages that have been left on Rep. Stupak's answering machine. Absolutely chilling. I'd never thought that anything could ever cause me to view Stupak as an admirable and courageous patriot, or that I'd ever want to rally to his defense, but the unspeakably vicious hatred contained in those phone messages (and there were many of them) rattled me to my core, and my heart went out to the Congressman.

The recent numerous violent acts and threats of violence, including murder, toward various other members of Congress and their families are equally appalling to me. And I am very disturbed by the language used by influential Republicans that serves to fuel such violence. How can they ignore the dire consequences such incitement has led to in our past?

TwinSwords
03-25-2010, 06:37 PM
Ladies and Gentlmen, the conservative movement (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/violence-tea-party/):

VANDERBOEGH: I am telling you we are motivated to break windows, we feel a deadly threat from the Federal government and the orders that the Democrat party has given us. [...]

COLMES: You’re telling people to break the windows of Democratic headquarters. You’re telling people to commit acts of vandalism. You’re supporting breaking the law.

VANDERBOEGH: May I tell you my personal motive for doing this? I’m trying to save the lives of Nancy Pelosi, and every one of these people who do not understand the unintended consequences of their actions. [...] Because they are not paying attention to the million of people across this deepening divide that politics no longer avails them. [...] We refuse to participate in the system, and we refuse to pay the fines, and we refuse arrest. Now where do you suppose that’s going but a thousand little Waco’s.

Vanderboegh runs a blog devoted to inciting revolution (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/).

I wonder what the reasonable conservatives in the forum think about this growing right wing movement.

TwinSwords
03-25-2010, 06:46 PM
Rep. Eric Cantor, desperate to trick our deeply pathetic media into reporting the story as "both sides are doing it," filed a police report stating that his office was fired upon.

Read the police report (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/25/cantors-bullet/):

A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.

So, it almost certainly was not a shot fired at Cantor's office and likely had no political connection.

Suppose, though, that it did. Let's just stipulate for the sake of argument that some unhinged lefty fired the shot into the air and carefully calculated the trajectory so that the bullet would fall through the window of Cantor's office.

It would still prove nothing, and it certainly would not prove that "extremism is a problem on both sides."

How do we know? We know because you almost never can find any examples of violent liberal rhetoric, but you can't miss violent conservative rhetoric. Go to virtually any political news story or YouTube video, or conservative blog, and read the comments, and you are sure to find several threats of violence. It would be exceedingly difficult to find examples of the same kind of rhetoric coming from the left.

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 01:16 AM
I know the feeling, Ezra (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/03/some_thoughts_on_hyping_the_fr.html).

uncle ebeneezer
03-26-2010, 02:32 AM
And Newt is making speeches saying that the Dems are partly to blame because of their arm-twisting approach to legislation. Pot meet...well you know.

What disturbs me the most is: where is the outrage among the decent people on the Right? I've seen very little from pundits, politicians or just GOP-leaning civilians expressing any disgust over these terrible offenses. Even people on this board who I generally think have morals not far from my own though we may disagree on policy have been strangely hesitant to call out their party's abhorrant behavior. I'd like to think that if Democrats were encouraging this kindof dangerous atmosphere, I would be willing to speak up and point out that these people are sick and demented and this kinda shit has no place in politics for either party. So far...nothing but crickets from all the decent, God-loving Amurkens. It's pretty disappointing.

listener
03-26-2010, 03:04 AM
And Newt is making speeches saying that the Dems are partly to blame because of their arm-twisting approach to legislation. Pot meet...well you know.

What disturbs me the most is: where is the outrage among the decent people on the Right? I've seen very little from expressing any disgust over these terrible offenses. Even people on this board who I generally think have morals not far from my own though we may disagree on policy have been strangely hesitant to call out their party's abhorrant behavior. I'd like to think that if Democrats were encouraging this kindof dangerous atmosphere, I would be willing to speak up and point out that these people are sick and demented and this kinda shit has no place in politics for either party. So far...nothing but crickets from all the decent, God-loving Amurkens. It's pretty disappointing.

Yes, the outrage from those you mention sounds kinda like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg).

popcorn_karate
03-26-2010, 03:40 AM
Yes, the outrage from those you mention sounds kinda like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg).

the most interesting part being that you are all gleeful about implementing a right wing heritage foundation plan.

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 03:50 AM
the most interesting part being that you are all gleeful about implementing a right wing heritage foundation plan.

Aren't you one for saying you care about good ideas, not where they come from?

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 04:06 AM
I know the feeling, Ezra (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/03/some_thoughts_on_hyping_the_fr.html).

On a related note, Roy Edroso (http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2010/03/shorter-entire-rightwing-all-these.html):

SHORTER ENTIRE RIGHTWING: All these claims of threats against Democratic legislators (http://mrand.us/=L0Z), hah! These sissies just can't face up to the will of the people. Plus how do we know it isn't all a fraud? Why, in olden times OH SHIT ERIC CANTOR SAYS SOMEBODY SHOT AT HIS OFFICE (http://mrand.us/=L11) DEMOCRATZ ARE OBVS KRAZY MURDERERS!

Bonus: Confederate Yankee, who explained the necessity of violence yesterday (http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2010_03_21_archive.html#209433026980484762), is outraged (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/299835.php) by this alleged assault, and blames Rep. John Lewis.

This is why I tend to be phlegmatic (http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2010_03_21_archive.html#6114903443518528388) about this kind of story -- not because they're necessarily untrue, but because by the time such reports get to us punters, there's nothing left but bloody shirts and instructions for waving them.

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Bonus for me: Following that penultimate link to TIDOS Wankee's post o' incoherent outrage, I did get to see the magic word (emph. added):

The Democratic thuggocracy has, without a doubt, underestimated the American public's resolve to stand up to their Alinsky tactics ...

Ding ding ding ding! Add it to the collection (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155961#post155961)!

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 04:28 AM
[...] What disturbs me the most is: where is the outrage among the decent people on the Right? I've seen very little from pundits, politicians or just GOP-leaning civilians expressing any disgust over these terrible offenses. Even people on this board who I generally think have morals not far from my own though we may disagree on policy have been strangely hesitant to call out their party's abhorrant behavior. I'd like to think that if Democrats were encouraging this kindof dangerous atmosphere, I would be willing to speak up and point out that these people are sick and demented and this kinda shit has no place in politics for either party. So far...nothing but crickets from all the decent, God-loving Amurkens. It's pretty disappointing.

Indeed. Others wonder, too, like Jill (http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/03/25/bits-and-pieces-4/) and her friend:

To quote the always-observant Choire, “Hey, also, remember when the right wing talking point was always “ALL MUSLIMS MUST LOUDLY RENOUNCE THE TERRORISM OF THE (40 or 50 TERRORIST) MUSLIMS?” Anyone? Because… So… You see… Oh never mind.”

Lyle (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=136298#post136298) ...?

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 05:18 AM
Pajamas Media blogger Stephen "Vodkapundit" Green is noticed by Steve M. (http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2010/03/pajamas-media-blogger-there-really.html):

... here's Green's conclusion:

The important part is this: If this abominable, unconstitutional, usurperous, injurious, unsustainable and ruinous new health care law has a mere ten legislatures afraid for their safety, then this country might already be too far gone to save itself.

Translation: fellow right-wingers, you're not terrorizing Democrats enough. What's wrong with you? If you were men and not mice, you'd be threatening even more of them, dammit.

When exactly did we cross this line? When was it decided that, in our system, criminal intimidation is just a vigorous form of hardball? Were you consulted on this rewriting of the rules of our political life? I sure wasn't.

As with most such wingnuttery, if it were just this post, I'd be all, "Eh," just as with the recent Boehner (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155895#post155895). But when there's enough of them dancing up to the edge, and not thinking about that small fraction of the truly unhinged who are hanging on their every word ... I dunno. Worth continuing to document, at least, I suppose.

(Referred by a link from Teh Sadlys (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/29589.html), who had been observing some more "tough talk" from Hindrocket, who had been applauding Doughy and State(ist?) Employee Instapundit talking tough on PJTV.)

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 05:57 AM
As Roy (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=156039#post156039) noted, the wingnuts have been spending a lot of time trying to downplay or dismiss the violent rhetoric emanating from some of their comrades. False equivalence has been among the favored tactics ("Why didn't biasedliberallamestreamstaterunmedia report it when X got a threatening phone call, back in month Y???!?", etc.) But they've really reached up to touch bottom with one comparison it just occurred to me to check: Kenneth Gladney (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenneth%20Gladney&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn).

Yeah, try to tell me you didn't just say, "Who?"

==========

What made me think of 14-minute teabagger hero Kenneth? Oh, another Hateway Pundit antic, reported by va at Whiskey Fire (http://whiskeyfire.typepad.com/whiskey_fire/2010/03/these-were-things-that-had-to-be-done.html) (Hateway was part of the crowd that brought a coffin to the home of Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Missouri)). And this, of course, led to the canonical post connecting Hateway and Kenneth (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/from-joe-the-plumber-to-kenneth-the-drama-queen/). (And Russ Carnahan!)

And yeah, that Kenneth news link is almost certainly time-sensitive.

Almost as fleeting as that great new (as of last September, I mean) hub of teabagger rebellion, IAmKennethGladney.com (http://www.iamkennethgladney.com/).

(No, really. That used to be a thing (http://washingtonindependent.com/60269/the-mystery-of-kenneth-gladney).)

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 10:37 AM
Column from Paul Krugman (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/opinion/26krugman.html).

Excerpt:

What has been really striking has been the eliminationist rhetoric of the G.O.P., coming not from some radical fringe but from the party’s leaders. John Boehner, the House minority leader, declared that the passage of health reform was “Armageddon.” The Republican National Committee put out a fund-raising appeal that included a picture of Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, surrounded by flames, while the committee’s chairman declared that it was time to put Ms. Pelosi on “the firing line.” And Sarah Palin put out a map literally putting Democratic lawmakers in the cross hairs of a rifle sight.

All of this goes far beyond politics as usual. Democrats had a lot of harsh things to say about former President George W. Bush — but you’ll search in vain for anything comparably menacing, anything that even hinted at an appeal to violence, from members of Congress, let alone senior party officials.

No, to find anything like what we’re seeing now you have to go back to the last time a Democrat was president.

Conclusion:

For today’s G.O.P. is, fully and finally, the party of Ronald Reagan — not Reagan the pragmatic politician, who could and did strike deals with Democrats, but Reagan the antigovernment fanatic, who warned that Medicare would destroy American freedom. It’s a party that sees modest efforts to improve Americans’ economic and health security not merely as unwise, but as monstrous. It’s a party in which paranoid fantasies about the other side — Obama is a socialist, Democrats have totalitarian ambitions — are mainstream. And, as a result, it’s a party that fundamentally doesn’t accept anyone else’s right to govern.

In the short run, Republican extremism may be good for Democrats, to the extent that it prompts a voter backlash. But in the long run, it’s a very bad thing for America. We need to have two reasonable, rational parties in this country. And right now we don’t.

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 11:03 AM
What Fox "News" reported (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/police-on-cantor-incident-were-calling-it-random-gunfire.php?ref=fpa):

FOX has learned that the Richmond, VA campaign office of House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) was shot at Monday.

Cantor, is the highest-elected Jewish official in the country and the only Jewish Republican in the House.

And do you not love their caption for their TV report? [imglink (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/eric_cantor_sg-cropped-proto-custom_1.jpg)]

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/eric_cantor_sg-cropped-proto-custom_1.jpg

What actually happened (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/richmond-police-statement-on-cantor-office-vandalism.php), according to the Richmond police:

A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.

NB: a bullet.


Additionally, Wonkette has an email (http://wonkette.com/414459/eric-cantor-still-an-asshole-police-dismiss-shot-fired-at-his-district-office-as-stray-bullet) from someone who says he or she lives in the area, who says, in part:

The office building that Cantor is talking about is not clearly marked as being associated with him, there are no big signs.

It is also not listed on the internet, and seems to be used mainly by a “election consulting company” but turns into his campaign headquarters when he is actively running.

It’s right around the corner from the intersection of First and Main.

It’ s an area where it is very plausible that some one would just randomly bust a cap off into the air.

It’s close to drug selling areas.

==========

[Added] Of course, we must (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=156073#post156073) have audio and video of the shooter before we can believe any of this. If we don't get it, we must conclude that Andrew Breitbart will not "promise" (credible! (http://www.institutionalleftdoomsdayclock.com/) (? (http://www.google.com/search?q=breitbartocalypse))) to pay you $10,000, and we must not believe anything else Eric Cantor says.

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 11:54 AM
Dave Weigel has a round-up (http://washingtonindependent.com/80548/conservatives-attack-double-standard-on-health-care-threats) of the "pushback" the wingnuts (including certain Republican members of Congress) have been deploying, now that they're finally beginning to realize their non-stop violence talk might, just might, be making them look bad. (Short version: it's all the Democrats' fault, and anyway, they should just STFU.)

And, oh yeah, "ram" and "throat" are used in the same sentence. Does this still surprise (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=156064&highlight=ram+throats#post156064) you?

kezboard
03-26-2010, 12:56 PM
Has someone made a bingo card yet?

popcorn_karate
03-26-2010, 05:04 PM
Aren't you one for saying you care about good ideas, not where they come from?

and aren't you one for judging things based on their provenance? or are you completely open to ideas emanating from the Templeton foundation - evaluating each with an open mind?

I think the health care "reform" is pretty horrifying. the idea that i have to pay private corporations for the right to be alive is sickening. It is also sickening how the bush administration set-up a surveillance state that is still operating (but nobody complains now that Obama is in charge of the apparatus).

The basic model I've seen since Reagan is the parties take turns selling us out to corporate interests, and gutting the constitution. they get people riled-up enough about pointless distractions that the base on the right and left both turn a blind eye to what is going on when "their" party is in charge of fucking America.

claymisher
03-26-2010, 06:37 PM
You know, there are non-profit health insurers. With rescission and pre-existing conditions banned, and the new 85% minimum medical-loss ratio, things are looking good for the non-profits.

listener
03-26-2010, 06:39 PM
You know, there are non-profit health insurers. With rescission and pre-existing conditions banned, and the new 85% minimum medical-loss ratio, things are looking good for the non-profits.

Interesting. I'd like to know more about that.

uncle ebeneezer
03-26-2010, 06:54 PM
Good post from TNC (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/the-tea-partys-rank-amateurism/38077/) on protest:

I hear GOP folks and Tea Partiers bemoaning the fact that media and Democrats are using the extremes of their movement for ratings and to score points. This is like Drew Brees complaining that Dwight Freeney keeps trying to sack him. If that were Martin Luther King's response to media coverage, the South might still be segregated. I exaggerate, but my point is that the whining reflects a basic misunderstanding of the rules of protest. When you lead a protest you lead it, you own it, and your opponents, and the media, will hold you responsible for whatever happens in the course of that protest. This isn't left-wing bias, it's the nature of the threat.


There is of course a deeper question about the limits of strategy. It's possible that if the Tea Partiers cleaned up their ranks--purged the birthers, publicly rebuked people like this guy, banned Hitler signs, loudly rejected any instances of racism--that they simply wouldn't have much of a movement left. Martin Luther King was trying to lead a black community that was demonstrably patriotic, and had, in the main, rejected political violence as a strategy. He could afford to be picky. In the case of the Tea Parties, it's possible that once you subtract the jackasses, you just don't have enough energy left.

claymisher
03-26-2010, 07:15 PM
Interesting. I'd like to know more about that.

So would I!

I've been fascinated by the non-profits and co-ops for a long time. It's weird how markets shake out: 99.9% of colleges are non-profit. The #1 mutual fund group, Vanguard, is a co-op. Credit unions have better fees and rates than most banks. There aren't many in America but I guess grocery coops are common around the world.

The big benefit of co-ops is that people work harder and smarter on team projects than they do when they're working for the man. From what I've read the main thing that holds back cooperatives is that it's harder for them to raise capital. They can't issue equity and sometimes they have higher borrowing costs because there's too many "owners" for the bank to deal with. The other "problem" with co-ops is that they can work too well: members can demutualize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demutualization) and cash in!

uncle ebeneezer
03-26-2010, 07:42 PM
More brilliance from the late Mister Swift. On angry mobs (http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2008/10/in-defense-of-angry-mobs.html):

Sure, angry mobs can get a little rambunctious and overenthusiastic at times. Some members of the angry mobs that have been attending McCain/Palin rallies (otherwise known as “the Republican base”) got a tad carried away when they reacted to hearing Obama’s name by screaming “Kill him” and “Off with his head.” But it’s easy to go overboard in the heat of the moment. Who wouldn’t be furious at the prospect of a terrorist who went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport, where he probably had secret meetings with Osama Bin Laden, the Weather Underground and the Illuminati, getting elected President? Can you blame them?

popcorn_karate
03-26-2010, 07:52 PM
Interesting. I'd like to know more about that.

me too.

I still do have some, probably futile, hope that the current crop of Dem politicians is slightly less corrupt than I suspect.

my hopeful fantasy is that a public option will emerge over the next couple years as the bill is implemented.

in any case, there is enough good mixed in with the bad in HCR that its still probably one of the better things our politicians have done in a very long time. being forced to enrich useless, parasitic corporations just really, really sticks in my craw.

Wonderment
03-26-2010, 09:50 PM
You know, there are non-profit health insurers. With rescission and pre-existing conditions banned, and the new 85% minimum medical-loss ratio, things are looking good for the non-profits.

Blue Shield of California is a nonprofit with 3.4 million insured and 65,000 affiliated doctors. Doesn't seem to matter.

bjkeefe
03-26-2010, 10:36 PM
and aren't you one for judging things based on their provenance?

I'd say it's more accurate that I take into account where things come from (e.g., I'm going to start out being highly skeptical of AGW denialism coming from a non-scientist on the Exxon payroll), and that it's also true that provenance matters more, or less, depending on the specific topic (e.g., views on education policy from creationists: more dubious right out of the gate, views on HCR from a conservative think tank, less.) So, it's a continuum, and context matters. It's not a binary choice.

None of this, however, changes the reality that it is you who has argued in the past that one shouldn't care about the provenance of an idea, which was my point. If you're going only to answer by saying, "What about you?," I think my point has been made.

or are you completely open to ideas emanating from the Templeton foundation - evaluating each with an open mind?

Completely open? No. They have a history of being less than honest, for one thing, and for another, a large part of what they argue ultimately comes down to a matter of faith, which carries very little weight with me, and none at all when it comes to something amenable to scientific investigation. However, I do not, say, have a policy of never following any link to any TF-sponsored piece.

I think the health care "reform" is pretty horrifying. the idea that i have to pay private corporations for the right to be alive is sickening.

I find it hard to take such hysteria seriously. Sorry.

That said, I will point out that if the mandate that you purchase insurance turns out to be too burdensome for you when it kicks in, you're likely to be eligible to receive public assistance.

Second, I don't really care that people who have a decent amount of money are being asked to contribute a little bit toward the common good. Actually, I do care, in the positive sense: I think this is a good thing for an advanced society. Here, I believe that, ultimately, with everyone in the pool, it'll be good for health insurance and health care costs in the long run. And I think it's a very good thing in the meantime that we've taken a big step toward seeing that everyone has some access to basic care. [Added: Hey! Look (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=156206#post156206)! Happy to see it.]

Yes, we don't have a perfect system in place yet, and yes, it's irritating that those already making money off of people's health (or lack thereof) might make more in the short run. But there's no reason why the system can't be further improved, and it seems to me it's easier to start (continue, actually) from what we just achieved than it would be to start from ground zero; i.e., where we were before Obama took office.

It is also sickening how the bush administration set-up a surveillance state that is still operating (but nobody complains now that Obama is in charge of the apparatus).

Nobody? I advise you to widen your reading circle, if you really think that's true.

The basic model I've seen since Reagan is the parties take turns selling us out to corporate interests, and gutting the constitution. they get people riled-up enough about pointless distractions that the base on the right and left both turn a blind eye to what is going on when "their" party is in charge of fucking America.

There's something to that, albeit more hysterical than I think is warranted.

Be your age, p_k: the rich and powerful have always worked to make sure they stay that way. If you want to change things, you've got to be prepared to work long and hard at it, and to be satisfied with incremental gains at best.

Or, if you're just venting, fine. Ignore all of the above, in that case.

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 03:02 AM
... and outfit (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2010/03/love-paramilitary-look-sarah.html)?

listener
03-27-2010, 03:10 AM
... and outfit (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2010/03/love-paramilitary-look-sarah.html)?

Yeah, I noticed the leather (or is it pleather?) outfit. Must be very appealing to those in her thrall (I could name some famous names, but like Walter Winchell, I won't) who would love nothing more than for Mistress P to be their dominatrix. :)

And McCain in the background -- how awkward and uncomfortable can a person look?

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 03:21 AM
Yeah, I noticed the leather (or is it pleather?) outfit. Must be very appealing to those in her thrall (I could name some famous names, but I won't) who would love nothing more than for Mistress P to be their dominatrix. :)

Will David Letterman dare to say (http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2009/06/laugh-and-world-laughs-with-you.html) the same thing?

And McCain in the background -- how awkward and uncomfortable can a person look?

You must watch a bit of the video (http://wonkette.com/414479/john-mccain-is-so-confused-about-everything-right-now) where I grabbed the image from. As Newell says:

At :32, clapping like that robot monkey with the cymbals. He has no idea what the fuck is happening.

Of course, we are not allowed to make fun of John McCain's awkward clapping, BECAUSE HE WAS A POW.

listener
03-27-2010, 03:33 AM
Will David Letterman dare to say (http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2009/06/laugh-and-world-laughs-with-you.html) the same thing?

Did you see the clip from "Duck Soup" at the bottom of the page? Ah, the incomparable Margaret Dumont at her finest! (And Groucho is not so bad himself.)

Yes, and I did see some of the Palin/McCain video. Maybe I'm too softhearted, but I just couldn't help feeling sorry for McCain as he stood there listening to Palin make jokes about how old he is.

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 03:34 AM
This (http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=12208009) (via (http://wonkette.com/414470/nashville-anger-bear-flips-off-slams-fatherdaughter-car-with-obama-bumper-sticker)) is totally unrelated to anything any Republican or media conservative has said in the past week:

Road rage, accident centers on Obama bumper sticker

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A Nashville man says he and his 10-year-old daughter were victims of road rage Thursday afternoon, all because of a political bumper sticker on his car.

Mark Duren told News 2 the incident happened around 4:30p.m., while he was driving on Blair Boulevard, not far from Belmont University.

He said Harry Weisiger gave him the bird and rammed into his vehicle, after noticing an Obama-Biden sticker on his car bumper.

Duren had just picked up his 10-year-old daughter from school and had her in the car with him.

"He pointed at the back of my car," Duren said, "the bumper, flipped me off, one finger salute."

But it didn't end there.

Duren told News 2 that Weisiger honked his horn at him for awhile, as Duren stopped at a stop sign.

Once he started driving again, down Blair Boulevard, towards his home, he said, "I looked in the rear view mirror again, and this same SUV was speeding, flying up behind me, bumped me."

Duren said he applied his brake and the SUV smashed into the back of his car.

He then put his car in park to take care of the accident, but Weisiger started pushing the car using his SUV.

Duren said, "He pushed my car up towards the sidewalk, almost onto the sidewalk."

Police say Harry Weisiger is charged with felony reckless endangerment in the incident.

Totally unrelated!!!1!

And besides, as the GHEMRotRSTF (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/03/25/if-king-george-will-not-listen/) ("a go-to opinion guy for Republican thinking" (rly (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2010/03/another-reason-not-to-donate-to-npr.html), srsly (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=154608#post154608))) proclaims:

Some of those Americans will now conclude that, like with the founders, if King George will not listen, King George must be fought.

Oh and you can stop your laughing. He wasn't talking about Bush, neither. And by the way, that was totally inappropriate that one time like six years ago that that anonymous commenter on Daily Kos said that thing about Bush that one time ...

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 05:19 AM
False equivalence has been among the favored tactics ...

[...]

And yeah, that Kenneth news link is almost certainly time-sensitive.

Which, of course, meant that we had to check it (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenneth%20Gladney&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn) again today!

Oh, look: top result at the moment points to this (http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/03/perry-urges-cal.html) nice calm-urging post from William McKenzie, Editorial Columnist at The Dallas Morning News.

Let's see ...

"Hoorah to Rick Perry for speaking out at the Capitol yesterday about the threats being made at lawmakers for supporting the health care bill." Yep, agreed. "[blah blah blah] Not only is he right, but it's going to take Republicans like Perry telling folks to cool it." Couldn't agree more, good for him ... "[blah blah blah] Moderate conservatives really don't carry the same weight with the angry right. It's going to take people like Perry saying it's fine to oppose a bill, but it's completely out of bounds to threaten folks." Okay, fine, but hey Google, where is my topic of interest?

Oh, I see. First comment, from rke:

Get back to us when you know who Kenneth Gladney is.

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 05:39 AM
A day earlier:

What Fox "News" reported (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/police-on-cantor-incident-were-calling-it-random-gunfire.php?ref=fpa):



And do you not love their caption for their TV report? [imglink (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/eric_cantor_sg-cropped-proto-custom_1.jpg)]

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/eric_cantor_sg-cropped-proto-custom_1.jpg

[...]

A day later:

Heehee. Fox is now grudgingly agreeing with reality (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/26/bullet-struck-cantors-office-appears-randomly-fired/). And, by the way, with everything TPM and Wonkette reported, as noted in the rest of the post (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=156079#post156079) excerpted above.

In conclusion, Eric Cantor is a hysterical bed-wetting political hack, if not an outright liar, and all the mouth-breathers who watch Fox are only going to remember the image above. But you already knew that, right?

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 04:02 PM
A day earlier:

[...]

A day later:

Further illustration of the contrast:

Memeorandum upon Eric Cantor's initial loss of bladder control. (http://www.memeorandum.com/100325/p65#a100325p65)

Memeorandum after the police report. (http://www.memeorandum.com/100326/p33#a100326p33)

Though maybe, all the wingnut bloggers were still hiding under their beds?

(h/t: Instaputz (http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2010/03/well-that-was-fast.html))

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 05:52 PM
Further illustration of the contrast:

Memeorandum upon Eric Cantor's initial loss of bladder control. (http://www.memeorandum.com/100325/p65#a100325p65)

Memeorandum after the police report. (http://www.memeorandum.com/100326/p33#a100326p33)

Though maybe, all the wingnut bloggers were still hiding under their beds?

(h/t: Instaputz (http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2010/03/well-that-was-fast.html))

On a related note, I think TPM should be chastised for this headline (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/cantor-responds-on-random-bullet-case.php). Any word after the fourth is superfluous.

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 07:56 PM
On a related note, I think TPM should be chastised for this headline (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/cantor-responds-on-random-bullet-case.php). Any word after the fourth is superfluous.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9893/pointcantorpoint.jpg

The above is a screen grab (http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9893/pointcantorpoint.jpg) from a video titled ... well, that part you probably already figured out.

Anyway, it's hosted by Betty Cracker (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_week_in_fail/), who says:

Around this week’s world of wingnut failure in about two minutes—with sad trombones!

listener
03-27-2010, 11:21 PM
The above is a screen grab (http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9893/pointcantorpoint.jpg) from a video titled ... well, that part you probably already figured out.

Anyway, it's hosted by Betty Cracker (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_week_in_fail/), who says:

I especially liked the cast credits at the end

Whatfur
03-28-2010, 01:04 PM
Opposing views. (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/the-gavel-walk-an-attempt-to-provoke-the-tea-parties)

Whatfur
03-28-2010, 01:25 PM
CNN reported that there were "Hundreds of people, at least dozens"at the Palin/Tea Part/Dump Dingy Harry rally.

Really?

You be the judge. (http://www.americanpatrol.com/10-FEATURES/100327-FEATURE2/PHOTOS/100327-Photos.html)

Whatfur
03-28-2010, 03:26 PM
...and so it goes. (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/andrew-breitbart-describes-harry-reid-supporters-on-the-attack-audio/)

bjkeefe
03-28-2010, 03:32 PM
...and so it goes. (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/andrew-breitbart-describes-harry-reid-supporters-on-the-attack-audio/)

http://is.gd/b3Wtq

graz
03-28-2010, 03:41 PM
Just keepin' it real. (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2010/03/washtenaw-county-mi.html)

If you can't beat 'em... hurl rocks and stuff. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032501722.html)

bjkeefe
03-28-2010, 03:51 PM
...and so it goes. (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/andrew-breitbart-describes-harry-reid-supporters-on-the-attack-audio/)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4373/pointcantorpointplushat.jpg

Whatfur
03-28-2010, 04:02 PM
I guess this rebutts the those here who chose the false path of Ms. Walsh. (http://powip.com/2010/03/joan-walsh-is-on-a-tear-of-lies/)

bjkeefe
03-29-2010, 07:00 AM
... and predictably, the wingnutosphere spazzes out. Roy Edroso takes a look. (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/03/hutaree_militia.php)

Whatfur
03-29-2010, 12:09 PM
...and predictably the left and their media try to shift the burden of proof (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/AP-tries-to-shift-burden-of-proof-to-Tea-Partiers-Show-you-didnt-do-it-89390087.html).

bjkeefe
03-29-2010, 01:36 PM
... and predictably, the wingnutosphere spazzes out. Roy Edroso takes a look. (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/03/hutaree_militia.php)

Some more information (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/feds_release_details_in_hutaree_arrests.php) is now available.

Nine Christian Militia Members Charged With Seditious Conspiracy, Attempted Use Of WMD

Nine members of the Christian militia (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/reports_feds_raid_christian_militia_group_in_michi .php) group Hutaree have been indicted on multiple charges involving an alleged plot to attack police, including seditious conspiracy and attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, the U.S. Attorney in Michigan announced this morning.

"Six Michigan residents, along with two residents of Ohio and a resident of Indiana, were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence," according to the government's press release, which you can read in full below.

The indictment describes an alleged plot that seems inspired by weapons more associated with urban warfare in Iraq than with rural Michigan.

The Hutaree members allegedly "planned to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who gather in Michigan for the funeral."

The indictment continues: "According to the plan, the Hutaree would attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with Improvised Explosive Devices with Explosively Formed Projectiles, which, according to the indictment, constitute weapons of mass destruction."

The rest. (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/feds_release_details_in_hutaree_arrests.php) [Added: sidebar on one of those charged here (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/our_country_is_in_peril_accused_hutaree_member_pos .php), and his old video calling for the Million Militia Man March on Washington here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfKHH_Fkzzg) (via (http://washingtonindependent.com/39893/the-million-militia-man-march)).]

Hat tip to Tim F. (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/29/simple-question-for-andrew-mccarthy-and-friends/), who also directs a reminder to the 101st Chairborne and Wolverine Footie Pajamas Bed-Wetter Brigade:

Rightwing antiterror doctrine clearly states that we must strip these “terrorists” (no such thing as alleged in the war on terror) naked and hang them in cold cages by the wrists with their arms tied behind their backs so that the tendons tear and the shoulder joint dislocates. We should waterboard them until they confess and give up their co-conspirators (the Inquisition found waterboarding almost 100% effective!). Without question these people should be held without any trial or access to habeas corpus petitions until the “war” against violent fundamentalist groups is over. At the very least we should shunt these guys into military tribunals where the rules have been rigged to ensure a conviction.

I for one look forward to heated explanations about how this is TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!1!

bjkeefe
03-29-2010, 02:08 PM
Looks like the protests and shaming are starting to have some effect. Headline:

Feeling The Heat, Tea Partiers Denounce Violence

Article. (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/feeling_the_heat_tea_partiers_denounce_violence.ph p)

Whatfur
03-29-2010, 02:40 PM
...or Duh? (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/29/document-drop-fbi-charges-anti-semitic-nutball-with-threats-against-gop-rep-cantor-family/)

nikkibong
03-29-2010, 02:40 PM
where would we be without bjkeefe's heroic efforts at fish-in-barrell shooting everyday? his indefatigable work at mocking the pathetic and laughing at the mentally deficient is truly a credit to our great republic.

bjkeefe
03-29-2010, 02:51 PM
...or Duh? (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/29/document-drop-fbi-charges-anti-semitic-nutball-with-threats-against-gop-rep-cantor-family/)

Poor 'fur. Still thinking he gets the complete story by reading Malkkkin.

Try looking into his background a little more, old man.

bjkeefe
03-29-2010, 02:54 PM
where would we be without bjkeefe's heroic efforts ...

Says the kid who can't stop writing posts about Christopher Hitchens and Andrew Sullivan.

When he's not giving reacharounds to the teabaggers in hopes of getting another shot at getting published by the Weakly Standard, I mean.

bjkeefe
03-29-2010, 05:03 PM
Poor 'fur. Still thinking he gets the complete story by reading Malkkkin.

Try looking into his background a little more, old man.

Still waiting on Malkkkin to update her post? Sad.

Have a little help (http://washingtonindependent.com/80811/norman-leboon-a-threatening-kind-of-guy).

Looks like it's time to update our list (http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3523/pointcantorpointplushatc.jpg)!

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3523/pointcantorpointplushatc.jpg

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[Added] New picture of Eric Cantor (http://wonkette.com/414494/eric-cantor-finally-finds-someone-who-threatened-him-a-mentally-ill-person-on-youtube-who-claims-to-be-god).

bjkeefe
03-29-2010, 07:14 PM
[...]

Mugshots (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/us-marshals-in-michigan-have.php) now available.

graz
03-29-2010, 07:25 PM
Mugshots (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/us-marshals-in-michigan-have.php) now available.

Proof of evolution:
If mugshot 3 (from the top left) is the spawn of 1 and 2 (same last name), then a chin sprouted where none existed in a previous generation. Case closed.

Ocean
03-29-2010, 07:46 PM
Proof of evolution:
If mugshot 3 (from the top left) is the spawn of 1 and 2 (same last name), then a chin sprouted where none existed in a previous generation. Case closed.

Hey graz! Don't know what you're talking about but read this (http://members.cox.net/jmhoward3/Evolution%20of%20the%20Chin.htm).

graz
03-29-2010, 07:58 PM
Hey graz! Don't know what you're talking about but read this (http://members.cox.net/jmhoward3/Evolution%20of%20the%20Chin.htm).

Thanks for the science info. If his theory is correct:
So, large brains produce small teeth. Large brains, small teeth, and high testosterone produce a chin.

Based on a cursory self-exam... I've got a big brain and a mucho macho testosterone count.

Ocean
03-29-2010, 08:01 PM
Based on a cursory self-exam... I've got a big brain and a mucho macho testosterone count.

Good to know and thank you for sharing. ;)

...

... about your big brain I mean... whatever.

graz
03-29-2010, 08:06 PM
... about your big brain I mean... whatever.

...It's the small teeth...

Ocean
03-29-2010, 08:13 PM
...It's the small teeth...

:)

cragger
03-29-2010, 10:36 PM
We interrupt this broadcast for a word from the network.

Some with Improvised Explosive Devices with Explosively Formed Projectiles, which, according to the indictment, constitute weapons of mass destruction.

Bit of a digression no doubt, but that WMD bullshit has sure spread like the clap. It was always a political phrase without serious meaning intended to inflame emotions. WMD means "anything in the hands of somebody we don't like". Napalm - not a WMD. Fuel-air explosives - not a WMD. 15,000 lb BLU-82 bombs - not a WMD. Explosives kludged together in the basement by nutjobs - OMG! WMD!

(Incidently, Explosively Formed Projectiles just means shaped charges. Widely used and have been around since at least 1940.)

These folks sound like the sort of whackos who set the litmus paper on fire, so this interruption has concluded and we return to our regularly scheduled programming.

TwinSwords
03-29-2010, 11:39 PM
Not surprising (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uRPujstlkU).

bjkeefe
03-30-2010, 08:54 AM
We interrupt this broadcast for a word from the network.



Bit of a digression no doubt, but that WMD bullshit has sure spread like the clap. It was always a political phrase without serious meaning intended to inflame emotions. WMD means "anything in the hands of somebody we don't like". Napalm - not a WMD. Fuel-air explosives - not a WMD. 15,000 lb BLU-82 bombs - not a WMD. Explosives kludged together in the basement by nutjobs - OMG! WMD!

(Incidently, Explosively Formed Projectiles just means shaped charges. Widely used and have been around since at least 1940.)

These folks sound like the sort of whackos who set the litmus paper on fire, so this interruption has concluded and we return to our regularly scheduled programming.

Good points, all. Certainly, as a rhetorical device, saying these chinless wonders had WMDs makes for a little eye-rolling.

However, as a legal matter, if you're looking for a way to define terroristic actions, I can see it. Unlike a gun or most other lethal weapons, even a crude bomb is intended to kill multiple people at one time, and, arguably, without much regard to who those people are. And even leaving aside the post-9/11 hysteria, which is obviously what motivated all this, I can see the desire to have a definition like this available in the law.

Whatfur
03-30-2010, 09:11 AM
"9-11 hysteria" some say. (http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/03/29/searchlight-vs-l-a-rival-rallies-reveal-stark-rightleft-divide/?singlepage=true)

Who represents the nutjobs again?

cragger
03-30-2010, 01:43 PM
Continuing the tangent for a bit, since I agree that these folks are a dangerous problem, I don't see any real necessity, or even utility in defining terroristic actions as such. Based on reports thus far, this group is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, which is a crime whatever the motivation for the killing is, and whatever the method is. To the extent that they have cobbled together some explosives that have no other reasonable use, that would seem to be of evidentiary value in establishing intent to commit the murder(s).

[looking at a can and wondering what's inside. worms? lets open it up!]:

This seems a bit akin in some ways to the idea of making hate-motivated crimes a specially criminalized class. Here again I'm not sure I see much validity. If someone is beaten or killed and we claim that the crime is greater for being motivated by racial or religious hatred, it seems we are therefore saying the crime is lesser if done for other motivations. I have some trouble with the idea that such acts are less serious if done over money, or a personal grudge or whatever.


Incidentally, just yesterday I received a pamphlet in the mail entitled All Suffering SOON TO END! Coincidence?

bjkeefe
03-30-2010, 02:05 PM
Continuing the tangent for a bit, since I agree that these folks are a dangerous problem, I don't see any real necessity, or even utility in defining terroristic actions as such. Based on reports thus far, this group is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, which is a crime whatever the motivation for the killing is, and whatever the method is. To the extent that they have cobbled together some explosives that have no other reasonable use, that would seem to be of evidentiary value in establishing intent to commit the murder(s).

That seems reasonable, but I also suspect that there were at least a couple of motivations at work in adding this "WMD" bit to the law. First, as we noted before: a desire to make clear (in part driven by post-9/11 hysteria, granted) that there are, in fact, worse levels one can descend to beyond just simple conspiracy to commit (a) murder. I'll further speculate that it might have been thought that defining "conspiracy to commit mass murder" would be too tricky, so they used the approach of defining the weapons instead, perhaps at least in part because proving possession of said weapons is easier than proving conspiracy.

Second, it seems to me likely that, as is so often the case in our legal system, the prosecution likes to have a whole sheaf of charges available, to make it easier to hold people without bail, to gain extra leverage in the plea bargaining phase, and so on.

I am not saying I wholeheartedly embrace such notions, but I can easily see how people responsible for ensuring the domestic tranquility might think.

[looking at a can and wondering what's inside. worms? lets open it up!]:

How else you gonna catch some fish?

This seems a bit akin in some ways to the idea of making hate-motivated crimes a specially criminalized class. Here again I'm not sure I see much validity. If someone is beaten or killed and we claim that the crime is greater for being motivated by racial or religious hatred, it seems we are therefore saying the crime is lesser if done for other motivations. I have some trouble with the idea that such acts are less serious if done over money, or a personal grudge or whatever.

I am no fan of hate crimes, either, in part because it comes awfully close to defining thought-crimes, and in the case where an actual assault or murder has occurred, I completely agree with the idea that "these things are already on the books as illegal acts, so why do we need more laws?"

However, I have recently backed off being absolutely, without qualification, opposed to such laws. I'm not saying that I now support them, but I can remember having heard some arguments in their favor that struck me as plausible. I won't try to repeat them, but I will say that I have a vague memory that something akin to the points I made above was in there somewhere; i.e., something about giving the prosecution more tools when arrests have been made before the planned violent action occurred.

bjkeefe
03-30-2010, 02:25 PM
... and predictably, the wingnutosphere spazzes out. Roy Edroso takes a look. (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/03/hutaree_militia.php)

Some more wingnut reactions in this vein gathered up by Blue Texan (http://firedoglake.com/2010/03/29/in-the-wake-of-arrests-in-three-states-right-wingers-rush-to-defend-terror-suspects-criticize-fbi/) (via (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/29/the-only-survivors-of-the-national-peoples-gang/)) and Dave Neiwert (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/fbi-busts-michigan-militias-hutaree). Worth a look, for laughs, and also if you are not yet convinced what we in the reality-based community are up against in dealing with that certain fraction of our population who will never accept a Democratic-led government as legitimate, for whom seeking out false equivalences is a holy mission (e.g. (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=156796#post156796), e.g. (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=156831#post156831)), and who believe having it both ways is a God-given right, for white conservative Christians only.

Whatfur
03-30-2010, 02:40 PM
Only idiots and wackos think their side if free of idiots and wackos. (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025942.php)

Whatfur
03-30-2010, 05:52 PM
...deal with stories like this. (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/29/video-reid-supporters-egg-tea-party-buses-in-nevada/)

bjkeefe
03-31-2010, 03:03 AM
Six-minute segment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xukDJmk4Ccg) from Keith Olbermann and Melissa Harris-Lacewell that bears a look. It's more on right-wing militias and violence in general, but the Hutaree group, and the wingnutosphere's reaction to their arrest, are the opening hook.

(h/t: Twin)

bjkeefe
03-31-2010, 04:22 AM
What with all their nodding approval of violent rhetoric, we should expect wingnut bloggers to be able to deal with the results when ... OMG SOMEONE THREW EGGS AT A BUS!!!1!

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9676/ohnozvg7.gif http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9676/ohnozvg7.gif http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9676/ohnozvg7.gif http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9676/ohnozvg7.gif

Here, for example, are many of the words from Hateway Pundit (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/busted-ibew-thug-attacked-tea-party-bus/):

... Attacked ... attacked ... leftist thugs ... this Harry Reid supporter and criminal ... The thug ... attacking ... The rent-a-thug crew

And here are samplings from American Power (http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/harry-reid-thugs-threaten-andrew.html):

Harry Reid Thugs ... a violent Harry Reid support [sic] ... Assaulting ... Union Thug ... This one is particularly thuggish. The black fellow ... this thuggery is totally commonplace on the hard left. We've been seeing these demons in action for over a year now.

Flopping Aces (http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/03/27/tea-partiers-in-nevada-assaulted-with-eggs-by-supporters-of-sen-harry-reid/):

... Assaulted ... Democrats have whipped their supporters into a frenzy with phony reports of threats and racial slurs. Guess who the real violent extremists are?

With "adults" like these, you know what we need? Yes (http://is.gd/b3Wtq).

==========

[Added] Look at Big Ho Breitbart (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/breitbart_beat-down_the_sorrow_and_the_pity/), going full drama queen about the eggs, and then trying his best to provoke someone into taking a swing at him. So he can claim the left incites violence!

Today we are all <strike>Kenneth Gladney</strike> Andrew Breitbart.

Whatfur
03-31-2010, 06:39 AM
Who's the fairest. (http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/03/29/the-man-in-the-mirror/)

Whatfur
03-31-2010, 06:50 AM
Curry was classic. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/03/30/conservative_activists_in_the_crosshairs.html)

Whatfur
03-31-2010, 06:53 AM
More reflections. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575151760658472610.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion)

bjkeefe
03-31-2010, 09:38 AM
Mugshots (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/us-marshals-in-michigan-have.php) now available.

And from an earlier time, Hutaree wedding pictures (http://wonkette.com/414529/its-a-seditious-christian-michigan-militia-wedding)! (And a couple more here (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/for_hutaree_militia_ethos_extended_to_family_life. php).)

kezboard
03-31-2010, 06:09 PM
"A government-run health care plan"--described as definitely or sort of socialism by 72% of all respondents--has just been enacted into law.

Really.

Whatfur
03-31-2010, 08:26 PM
Really.

Not that difficult to understand why. Was surprising to discover that 74% of those people who made up the % you question were NOT supportive of the Tea Party movement. I guess someone left a window open in the echo chamber.

kezboard
03-31-2010, 08:42 PM
I'm not questioning the percentage. I think polls are stupid, but I'm willing to believe that 72% of Americans believe a "government takeover of health care" sounds like socialism. But the health care bill was not a "government takeover" of health care, no matter what Fox News says.

Whatfur
03-31-2010, 09:11 PM
I'm not questioning the percentage. I think polls are stupid, but I'm willing to believe that 72% of Americans believe a "government takeover of health care" sounds like socialism. But the health care bill was not a "government takeover" of health care, no matter what Fox News says.

Is that what Fox says? I have a couple dozen articles in the other thread and I don't believe one comes from Fox. Actually I think the AP, and the NYT lead in the numbers category. In reality, you nor anyone else has any idea what the full impact is going to be, but all indications are that it is leaning towards being a horrendous boondoggle that looks to drag down an already hurting economy.

A little reality from the Texas as they discuss Waxman's mathematical ability. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7EceVCY50)

Whatfur
03-31-2010, 09:42 PM
Scary tea party leader dances circles around Letterman's leading questions. (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/31/video-lettermans-shocking-interview-with-a-tea-party-leader/)

If Beck is a "bonehead" then Letterman is a shithead.

kezboard
03-31-2010, 10:14 PM
In reality, you nor anyone else has any idea what the full impact is going to be, but all indications are that it is leaning towards being a horrendous boondoggle that looks to drag down an already hurting economy.

This may be true or not, but either way it isn't a "government takeover".

Whatfur
03-31-2010, 10:35 PM
This may be true or not, but either way it isn't a "government takeover".


"This may be true or not, but either way" this bill/law has government controlling more of healthcare than it ever has in the past with designs on controlling more in the future.

listener
04-01-2010, 01:08 AM
Originally Posted by listener
Yeah, I noticed the leather (or is it pleather?) outfit. Must be very appealing to those in her thrall (I could name some famous names, but I won't) who would love nothing more than for Mistress P to be their dominatrix.

Will David Letterman dare to say (http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2009/06/laugh-and-world-laughs-with-you.html) the same thing?

No, but Robin Williams did (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-30-2010/robin-williams). (clip is about 6 minutes long, but relevant portion is right near the beginning)

bjkeefe
04-01-2010, 06:57 AM
No, but Robin Williams did (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-30-2010/robin-williams). (clip is about 6 minutes long, but relevant portion is right near the beginning)

Thanks for that. I am always happy to see Robin Williams, even though it appears fashionable these days to disparage him.

bjkeefe
04-01-2010, 07:01 AM
Did you see the clip from "Duck Soup" at the bottom of the page? Ah, the incomparable Margaret Dumont at her finest! (And Groucho is not so bad himself.)

I did. For some reason, it made me uncomfortable. Different times, different standards, I know, but still.

Yes, and I did see some of the Palin/McCain video. Maybe I'm too softhearted, but I just couldn't help feeling sorry for McCain as he stood there listening to Palin make jokes about how old he is.

In her defense (and no, I have no idea why I am speaking on Sarah Palin's behalf), one thing she is very good at is turning around attack points by using self-mockery. Remember how after she got busted at the Teabaggers' Ball for having notes written on her hand, she wrote stuff on her hand for her next several public appearances.

In this case, I'm not sure whether JD Hayworth is making an issue out of McCain's age, though I'd be amazed if he wasn't, at least obliquely, and so the best way to deal with something that is indisputable (John McCain is old, and more importantly to the casual voter, looks it) is to embrace it and then make jokes about it, to defuse it.

bjkeefe
04-01-2010, 08:42 AM
Here's an interesting wrinkle, passed along by Justin Elliott of TPM (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/hutaree_member_angered_by_fake_hamas_bill.php):

The Detroit Free Press notices (http://www.freep.com/article/20100331/NEWS06/100331050/1001/rss01) that charged Hutaree militia member Tina Stone bemoaned the passage of H.R. 1388 on her Facebook page recently. That bill has been the subject of a false chain email that warns President Obama provided money to settle Hamas members in the United States.

Boy, that ol' H.R. 1388 just keeps on giving, doesn't it? Remember when (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=108038#post108038) ...?

kezboard
04-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Dude. Stop moving the goalposts around. The WSJ said that 72% of Americans describe "government takeover of health care" as socialism, and tried to played that off as meaning that 72% of Americans think this health care bill that just passed is socialism. If they had included a data point on how many Americans think the Affordable Care Act is a government takeover of health care, then they would be making a valid point about public perceptions of the bill. They didn't. They're really just being dishonest.

bjkeefe
04-01-2010, 01:21 PM
Is that what Fox says? I have a couple dozen articles in the other thread and I don't believe one comes from Fox. Actually I think the AP, and the NYT lead in the numbers category.

If you're speaking of your "Jesus" thread (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?t=5085), you have posted, by my count, 23 links. Two are to the NYT, three are to the AP. You have also offered one each to Pollster.com, Business Week, a news story in the WaPo, and a news story in USA Today. (Nine total.)

Of the remaining 14 links: One is to an op-ed from a conservative (in the WaPo), one is to an op-ed in the conservative NY Post, and one is to a post in the Koch-funded Reason mag. Then we get really far out there to the right: three are to op-ed pieces in the WSJ, three are to NRO, and the last five are one each to the full-metal wingnut blogs Hot Air, American Thinker, Human Events, Powerline, and the Washington Examiner.

In other words, barely a fifth (22%) of your links are to either the NYT or the AP, and a super-majority (61%) of your sources are Fox-equivalent at best.

TwinSwords
04-02-2010, 05:02 AM
Don't tell Nikkibong:

— Sean Hannity endorses Tim McVeigh (http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2010/04/hannity-calls-teabaggers-tim-mcveigh.html)

Have you noticed that none of the conservatives on the forum (or their enablers) will address the conservative movement's embrace of revolutionary violence?

Jon I? Nikkibong? Harkin? Badhat?

There's actually an implication that it's impolite to talk about this most significant defining characteristic of the tea party movement.

Whatfur
04-02-2010, 10:02 AM
Trying to find adults at the NYT. (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/teatime-at-the--i-times-i--15416)

popcorn_karate
04-02-2010, 11:49 AM
Don't tell Nikkibong:

— Sean Hannity endorses Tim McVeigh (http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2010/04/hannity-calls-teabaggers-tim-mcveigh.html)

Have you noticed that none of the conservatives on the forum (or their enablers) will address the conservative movement's embrace of revolutionary violence?

Jon I? Nikkibong? Harkin? Badhat?

There's actually an implication that it's impolite to talk about this most significant defining characteristic of the tea party movement.

wow that toxic douchebag just called his supporters "tim mcveigh wannabe's" in an approving tone.

and they applauded! they applauded being called that. sick. sick. sick people.

bjkeefe
04-02-2010, 12:14 PM
From TPM (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/idaho_gov_hopeful_im_ok_with_militias_showing_a_li .php) (their emph.):

Idaho GOP Gov Hopeful: I'm OK With Militias Showing 'A Little Force'

Via Suzy Khimm (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/03/idaho-republican-rex-rammell-governor-election-miltia?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28Mot herJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29) at Mother Jones: A longshot Republican gubernatorial candidate in Idaho says in a new interview that he has no problem with militias showing "a little force behind the scenes."

ABC's Nightline caught up with Rex Rammell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Rammell) at a training session of the North Idaho Lightfoot Militia (http://www.northidaho21lightfoot.org/). Rammell, who last made national headlines in August when he joked (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/idaho-gov-candidate-jokes-about-hunting-obama.php) about buying tags to hunt President Obama, is seen in the ABC segment firing a large scoped semi-automatic rifle.

(We remember (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=127206#post127206).)

He addresses the role of militias in the context of fears about the new health care legislation.

"It's because of the current administration's politics -- the more they force upon the states, the more noise there is," he says. "The more concern people have, the less freedom there is. Lots of Idahoans believe the health care bill is very intrusive on our individual rights. ... We are not going to allow them to come into the state and make what we believe are unconstitutional mandates. Even if they can get them passed in D.C., we are not going to all that to happen. These guys want to show a little force behind the scene... I don't have a problem with that."

Rammell adds: "I think the way politics is going in the United States and the Tea Party movement -- the whole atmosphere promotes people wanting to get prepared. And I think that is what this is about."

The man who won 5% of the vote when he ran for Senate in 2008 is "running on the platform of supporting a statewide militia," according to ABC.

The Web site of the Christian militia Hutaree links to the Lightfoot Militia site, ABC points out (http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=10242140).

TPM (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/idaho_gov_hopeful_im_ok_with_militias_showing_a_li .php) has video, too, if you're interested.

So, fringe figure, with little chance of winning? Perhaps. But as Suzy Khimm, whose article is also worth reading (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/03/idaho-republican-rex-rammell-governor-election-miltia?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28Mot herJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29), notes:

The incumbent governor, Republican Butch Otter, is projected (http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=governor-2010-id) to win another term. But Rammell's entry into the race could still have an impact. Otter has been challenged repeatedly by the right wing of the state party—in addition to Rammell, he has three (http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=governor-2010-id) other challengers in the GOP primary. In response, he has moved to burnish his own conservative credentials—for instance, by making Idaho the first state to sue (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031800146.html) the federal government over the health care bill. In a crowded primary contest, Rammell's militia hawkery could gain traction with the Tea Party crowd—and push the Idaho Republican Party even farther to the right. "At one time, that wing represented a minority of the state's dominant party," a columnist from the local Lewiston Morning Tribune wrote last year. Now, he noted, "Idaho Republicanism is becoming little different from Rammellism."

bjkeefe
04-02-2010, 01:25 PM
"... some level of paranoia is probably sensible."

From an interesting article on the Oathkeepers by Justine Sharrock (http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers).

The Oathkeepers?

... one of the fastest-growing "patriot" organizations on the right. Founded last April by Yale-educated lawyer and ex-Ron Paul aide Stewart Rhodes, the group has established itself as a hub in the sprawling anti-Obama movement that includes Tea Partiers, Birthers, and 912ers. Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, and Pat Buchanan have all sung its praises, and in December, a grassroots summit it helped organize drew such prominent guests as representatives Phil Gingrey and Paul Broun, both Georgia Republicans.

There are scores of patriot groups, but what makes Oath Keepers unique is that its core membership consists of men and women in uniform, including soldiers, police, and veterans. At regular ceremonies in every state, members reaffirm their official oaths of service, pledging to protect the Constitution—but then they go a step further, vowing to disobey "unconstitutional" orders from what they view as an increasingly tyrannical government.

[Founder Stewart] Rhodes has become a darling of right-wing pundits.

This may give you a sense of the article's depth:

In the months I've spent getting to know the Oath Keepers, I've toggled between viewing them either as potentially dangerous conspiracy theorists or as crafty intellectuals with the savvy to rally politicians to their side. The answer, I came to realize, is that they cover the whole spectrum.

This may give you a sense of the group's clout:

On the conference's final day, National 912 Project chairman Patrick Jenkins stepped up to talk about the National Liberty Unity Summits (http://www.nationallibertyunitysummit.com/) his group was organizing in cooperation with Oath Keepers. They would provide a chance, he said, for patriots to forge a common agenda and a plan to carry it out. At the first summit, in December, attendees included representatives of groups from FairTax Nation (http://www.fairtaxnation.com/) to the Constitution Party (http://www.constitutionparty.com/) to Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum (http://www.eagleforum.org/). On hand were Ralph Reed Jr. (former director of Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition (http://www.cc.org/) and recent founder of the Faith and Freedom Coalition (http://www.ffcoalition.com/)), Larry Pratt (head of Gun Owners of America (http://gunowners.org/)), and Tim Cox (founder of Get Out of Our House (http://goooh.com/), an organization praised on Fox News for its goal of replacing business-as-usual incumbents with "ordinary folks"). Most notable were representatives Broun and Gingrey, who according to summit organizer Nighta Davis have expressed willingness to introduce legislation crafted by summit attendees. (So, Davis says, have Steve King (http://steveking.house.gov/) [R-Iowa] and Michele Bachmann (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2007/08/jose-padilla-trial-dirty-bomb-what-dirty-bomb) [R-Minn.]. None of the representatives agreed to comment for this story.)

The December gathering was merely a windup. In mid-April, another summit is planned to coincide with a huge gun-rights march and a Tax Day Tea Party rally in Washington organized by Dick Armey's FreedomWorks (http://www.freedomworks.org/) PAC and the American Liberty Alliance (http://americanlibertyalliance.com/)—whose home page touts Oath Keepers as a key part of "the Movement." Organizers expect hundreds of thousands to turn out. The Oath Keepers will be there en masse.

As for the "spectrum," here's one part of it ...

[Charles] Dyer, who with Rhodes' blessing represented Oath Keepers at an Oklahoma Tea Party (http://www.youtube.com/user/july4patriot?blend=1&ob=4&rclk=cti#p/u/6/M3mghRiZB3w) rally on July 4, was charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with uttering "disloyal" statements. He ultimately beat the charge, left the Marines, and reappeared unmasked on YouTube encouraging viewers to join him at his makeshift training area in Duncan, Oklahoma—"I'm sure the DHS will call it a terrorist training camp." In January, Dyer was arrested (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/patriot-hero-dyer-july4patriot-goes-down) on charges of raping a seven-year-old girl. When sheriff's deputies raided his home, they found a Colt M-203 grenade launcher believed to have been stolen from a California military base. He now faces federal weapons charges and is being hailed by fringe militia groups like the American Resistance Movement as "the first POW of the second American Revolution."

... and what this sort of group attracts on its periphery.

bjkeefe
04-02-2010, 11:44 PM
Governors around the country said Friday that they had received letters from an extremist group warning that they might be forcibly removed from office if they did not step down within three days.

Officials from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security confirmed that they had sent out an intelligence note with information about potential threats to governors from a group calling itself the Guardians of the Free Republics.

[...]

Federal officials said that at least 30 governors received the threatening letters this week. State officials in Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Nevada, New York, Utah and Virginia said they were examining the letters. Officials in several states said security for governors had been increased.

On its Web site, gotfr.com (http://gotfr.com/), the Guardians of the Free Republics sets forth a plan to “restore America.” It describes the plan as “a bold achievable strategy for behind-the-scenes peaceful reconstruction of the de jure institutions of government without controversy, violence or civil war.”

The federal government told state police officials that the group could provoke violence by others because its members “advocate for their views through the use, support or facilitation of violence or illegal conduct.”

The rest (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/us/03threat.html).

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 12:05 AM
Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35338.html):

CNN contributor and prominent Republican blogger Erick Erickson is threatening to pull out a "shotgun" to scare away census workers.

Erickson — the founder of the conservative blog RedState — said on his Macon, Ga.-area radio show Thursday that if a census worker carrying a longer American Community Survey form came by his house, he would "pull out my wife's shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes being scared at the door."

"They're not going on my property. They can't do that. They don't have the legal right, and yet they're trying," Erickson said, in a recording by the liberal media watchdog Media Matters. "The servants are becoming the masters. We are working for the government. We are becoming enslaved by the government."

On his blog, RedState, Erickson wrote Friday that he was being "misconstrued."

Audio and transcript of the radio program here (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004010050).

More from Wonkette (http://wonkette.com/414622/liberals-misconstrue-erick-erickson-who-will-not-shoot-census-workers-like-he-said-he-would) and Gawker (http://gawker.com/5508412/erick-erickson-hates-it-when-you-mention-things-he-says).

And, for the record, here's the WATB post from the GHEMRotRSTF (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/04/02/announcing-redstate-radio/).

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 12:57 PM
The first two segments of this week's On The Media are described as follows:

All the Rage

The arrest of members of a so-called Christian right-wing militia last weekend capped a week of anger and violence that ricocheted around U.S. politics. Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which recently published a census (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map) of such groups, discusses the alarming rise (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/rage-on-the-right) of U.S. hate groups and the rhetoric that feeds them.

Who You Calling Terrorist?

The press have mostly referred to the Hutaree members as militiamen, but the label "terrorist" could apply as well. Daniel Levitas (http://www.terroristnextdoor.com/), an expert on homegrown terrorist groups, says that there's a double standard regarding which groups get the label.

Stream or download. Segment links here (http://onthemedia.org/transcripts/2010/04/02/01) and here (http://onthemedia.org/transcripts/2010/04/02/02), whole show here (http://onthemedia.org/episodes/2010/04/02). (Transcripts should be at those links in a few days.)

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 01:39 PM
[...]

John Cole has an interesting take (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/02/all-in-the-game/) on Erick Son of Shotgun's recent noise-making.

Remember, or be aware if you didn't already know, that John Cole used to blog at RedState.

[Added] And see the last line, especially, of this post (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/02/im-only-here-for-the-buffet/).

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 03:18 PM
Detailed post from Barefoot and Progressive (http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2010/04/closer-look-at-rand-pauls-militia.html), via B'head Robert Farley, whose post is also worth reading (http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2010/04/its-a-core-part-of-the-movement).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lPOV8FZAOCI/S7RV6VNnsFI/AAAAAAAABh4/I8ZXlha6oQg/s400/guns+paul+geek.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lPOV8FZAOCI/S7RUyzgd_sI/AAAAAAAABhw/3V6ryw7IxNE/s400/guns+paul+fat+1.jpg

kezboard
04-03-2010, 05:19 PM
Did Cole ever write anything explaining his epic ideological shift? I'd be interested in seeing that, if it exists. I knew that he had been a conservative, but I thought that he was just a Republican voter -- I didn't know that he had been an actual member of the conservative blogosphere.

I'm sort of fascinated by political opinionators who make huge ideological switches, but they all seem to be untrustworthy, solipsistic, self-righteous people. (The same goes for people whose appeal is based on criticizing their own side -- the Frums, Sullivans, Kauses, and Althouses.) They all just seem like they have issues, you know? Like, I think that part of the reason Palin gets under Sullivan's skin so much is because he sees his former self in her, and he thinks about all the times that he's had to put up with clowns like her and he didn't yell at them and call them morons, so he harps on Palin at his blog to get back at all those other people, you know? But Cole doesn't seem to have any of those weird hangups.

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 05:50 PM
Did Cole ever write anything explaining his epic ideological shift? I'd be interested in seeing that, if it exists. I knew that he had been a conservative, but I thought that he was just a Republican voter -- I didn't know that he had been an actual member of the conservative blogosphere.

I've never come across anything he wrote out at length, but in this interview of him by E.D. Kain (http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/the-evolution-of-blogging-an-interview-with-john-cole/) conducted in Nov 2009, he is asked and gives a pretty comprehensive answer. (If you're in a hurry, search that page for the phrase tipping point.)

I'm sort of fascinated by political opinionators who make huge ideological switches, but they all seem to be untrustworthy, solipsistic, self-righteous people. (The same goes for people whose appeal is based on criticizing their own side -- the Frums, Sullivans, Kauses, and Althouses.) They all just seem like they have issues, you know? Like, I think that part of the reason Palin gets under Sullivan's skin so much is because he sees his former self in her, and he thinks about all the times that he's had to put up with clowns like her and he didn't yell at them and call them morons, so he harps on Palin at his blog to get back at all those other people, you know? But Cole doesn't seem to have any of those weird hangups.

Hmmm. I do know what you mean. I do think that if you read Balloon Juice regularly, you start to notice lots of little digs at his old team, although they seem more more in the "party left me; I didn't leave the party" vein. But yes (as far as I can tell without having read much of what he wrote prior to his road to Damascus moment, at least), he seems not to have done it for any reason other than honest reevaluation.

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 09:45 PM
Did Cole ever write anything explaining his epic ideological shift? I'd be interested in seeing that, if it exists. I knew that he had been a conservative, but I thought that he was just a Republican voter -- I didn't know that he had been an actual member of the conservative blogosphere.

I'm sort of fascinated by political opinionators who make huge ideological switches, but they all seem to be untrustworthy, solipsistic, self-righteous people.

I'd be interested to hear what you think of Frank Schaeffer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Schaeffer) -- once deep inside the fundamentalist Christian operation, now on the outside, writing screeds against them, like this (via (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36090_Frank_Schaeffer_on_the_Michigan_End_Times_Mi litia)): "The Evangelical 'Mainstream' Insanity Behind the Michigan 'End Times' Militia (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/the-evangelical-mainstrea_b_520990.html)."

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 10:08 PM
Governors around the country said Friday that they had received letters from an extremist group warning that they might be forcibly removed from office if they did not step down within three days.

The rest (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/us/03threat.html).

Hunger Tallest Palin (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/sarah_palin_was_just_beating_the_rush/), from Rumproast, points out that this group is approvingly described, and its email reproduced, on the Daily Paul (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/127780).

A site, which HTP points out by the way, also has a problem (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/129807) with a little thing known as the 14th Amendment.

And see also (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=157507#post157507).

TwinSwords
04-06-2010, 02:02 PM
Texas Man Arrested After Filing Lawsuit Threatening To Use 'Deadly Force' At Abortion Clinic

A 27-year-old Texas man was arrested Saturday after he filed court documents threatening to use "deadly force" to stop abortions at a local clinic.

"I am entitled under my religious beliefs to use deadly force if necessary to save the innocent life of another," wrote Erlyndon Joseph "Joey" Lo in the court filing, which called for a temporary restraining order against all abortions and named the Supreme Court as defendants.

In the filing, which he submitted early Friday morning, Lo said he would be at the Southwestern Women's Surgery Center at noon the same day.

"I will try to stop an abortion using oral words, and if words are not enough. I will use physical force if necessary, and if anyone tries to physically stop me, I will overcome that force, and if I must use deadly force to defend the innocent life of another human being, I will," he wrote.

In response, the FBI, the U.S. Marshals Service and the Dallas and Plano police departments arrived at the clinic before noon. Lo did not show up, FBI Special Agent Mark White told TPM. He was arrested the next day at his home in Plano, Texas.

[...]



(Continue Reading (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/texas-man-arrested-after-filing-lawsuit-threatening-to-use-deadly-force-at-abortion-clinic.php?ref=fpb))

listener
04-06-2010, 03:20 PM
(Continue Reading (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/texas-man-arrested-after-filing-lawsuit-threatening-to-use-deadly-force-at-abortion-clinic.php?ref=fpb))

*sigh* More ugliness, more violence. At least the heartening part is that this deranged man was arrested (which is not to say that he may not end up being freed to spout, and [God forbid] act upon, his blind rage; but at least his arrest is a positive development).

I try to find humor in tragedy, and in that spirit I offer this quote from the article you cited:

"I challenged President Barack Obama to a public debate on abortion, which he lost by not responding," Lo wrote.

Hey, I challenged Obama to a public debate too, and can you believe it, the bastard never responded to me either! President Obama -- what a freakin' loser!

Plus -- I'd been thinking about changing my BHTV signature from "Be kind..." to "Quid Malmborg in Plano (http://www.benway.com/firesign/lexicon/Q.html)," but now that asshole Lo has ruined that for me :(

bjkeefe
04-06-2010, 03:44 PM
Via The Political Carnival (http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/04/washington-man-charged-with-threatening.html), Gene Johnson/AP (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_murray_threats.html), published in the Seattle PI:

SEATTLE -- A Washington state man has been charged with threatening to kill Democratic Washington Sen. Patty Murray over her support for health care reform.

Court documents say federal agents arrested Charles Alan Wilson in Yakima on Tuesday.

An FBI agent's probable cause statement says Murray's office in Seattle reported the threats, which were left on voice mail from a blocked telephone number. Agents say they traced the calls to Wilson's home in Selah, near Yakima.

Murray's office told the FBI that it had been receiving harassing messages from the caller for months, but they became more threatening as Congress was voting on health care legislation.

Excerpts of the expletive-laced messages transcribed in court documents show the caller saying he wanted to kill the senator, and it would just take one piece of lead.

From another Seattle PI article (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/417979_murray06.html) (ellipsis orig -- their way of rendering "expletive deleted"):

"I want to .... kill you," court documents say Charles Alan Wilson of Selah said in one of his foul-mouthed calls to Murray's office.

The criminal complain says Wilson called Murray's office multiple times between March 22 and April 4 and left threatening messages. He said Murray "had a target on her back" and that he would help others in trying to kill Murray, a Washington Democrat.

From USA Today (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/04/fbi-arrests-man-for-threatening-to-kill-senator-over-health-care-vote/1):

According to an affidavit (http://www.justice.gov/usao/waw/press/2010/apr/pdfs/wilson%20complaint.pdf) filed in federal court, Charles Alan Wilson of Selah, Wash., threatened Murray's life in a series of obscenity-laced messages left on her office voice mail.

"I want to (expletive) kill you," one of the messages said.

The FBI's affidavit said that Wilson, 64, had a permit to carry a concealed weapon and had a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver registered to his name.


From MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36197759/ns/politics-capitol_hill/):

The investigation began in late March, after the health care bill was passed, when a staff member notified the FBI that a man who'd been calling the Seattle office for months, leaving messages after hours, had begun making overt threats to kill her.

In one message, according to court documents, he said, "I hope you realize, there's a target on your back now. There are many people out there who want you dead. ... Kill the ----ing senator. I'll donate the lead." In another, he describes himself as "a senior citizen on Social Security and Medicare" and says, "I want to thank you so much, very, very much, for signing my death warrant."

Thanks for all the "death panel" talk, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and everybody else!

==========

[Added] Interesting wrinkle from TPM (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/ap-man-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-sen-murray.php) (emph. added):

In what appears to be a highly unusual tactic, an FBI agent seeking to confirm that Wilson was the caller, telephoned Wilson April 1, disguising himself as a representative of Patients United Now (http://patientsunitednow.com/), a pro-repeal group, according to the complaint.

The telephone number for Patients United Now (http://patientsunitednow.com/) is defunct. The Web site is a project of Americans for Prosperity, the Arlington, Virginia group that promotes tea party events, which announced (http://www.americansforprosperity.org/052709-announcing-patients-united-now) Patients United last April.

"Americans for Prosperity?" Now where have we heard that name before (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=110492&highlight=Americans+Prosperity#post110492) ..?

bjkeefe
04-06-2010, 10:04 PM
[...] Interesting wrinkle from TPM (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/ap-man-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-sen-murray.php) ...

More on how the FBI confirmed the identity of this death-threat guy by having an agent pose as a caller (http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/how-the-f-b-i-identified-murrays-caller/) from one of the astroturf teabagging groups.

listener
04-06-2010, 11:23 PM
More on how the FBI confirmed the identity of this death-threat guy by having an agent pose as a caller (http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/how-the-f-b-i-identified-murrays-caller/) from one of the astroturf teabagging groups.

Rachel Maddow also reported on this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#36203756) and other violent threats tonight.

TwinSwords
04-06-2010, 11:38 PM
More on how the FBI confirmed the identity of this death-threat guy by having an agent pose as a caller (http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/how-the-f-b-i-identified-murrays-caller/) from one of the astroturf teabagging groups.

It might seem remarkable that this guy was willing to say these things to a stranger on the phone:

“I call Murray every day. I call Cantwell. They don’t like hearing from me. … I call them every day.”) (c) Wilson referred to Senators Murray and Cantwell as the “Pike Street whores,” as does the caller in the voicemail messages; (d) Wilson also referred to Senator Murray as “sneaker shoes Murray,” a phrase that also was stated on some of the voicemail messages; and (e) Wilson made the following remarks, which are similar to the rhetoric in many of the voicemail messages. “They need to be strung up, and I mean put the gallows. I will take no prisoners. … And I don’t care what they think. They want to come throw me in jail, they can go ahead and do that. That’s fine.”

But it's not remarkable at all, because this has become the standard rhetoric of the conservative movement.

bjkeefe
04-07-2010, 02:20 PM
Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35338.html):

CNN contributor and prominent Republican blogger Erick Erickson is threatening to pull out a "shotgun" to scare away census workers. [...]

From the White House briefing room, yesterday (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/90837-gibbs-calls-conservative-bloggers-census-comments-remarkably-crazy):

Asked if he had thoughts on protection for Census workers at the daily breifing on Tuesday, Gibbs called the comments "remarkable crazy remarks of somebody that would threaten somebody simply trying to ensure that they're adequately represented in this country."

Gibbs went on saying "These days, it never ceases to amaze you. And usually it's only trumped by what somebody will knowingly say tomorrow about where -- I think Lincoln who said better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

Thereby proving that Obama hates free speech, and America.

==========

By the way, there's an interesting additional wrinkle to this, in light of another (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?t=5070) of our active threads. Via HuffPo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/07/robert-gibbs-rips-eric-er_n_528508.html) and Wonkette (http://wonkette.com/414697/cnn-wingnuts-furious-at-bill-press), we see that Bill Press, the CNN reporter who asked the question that led to the Robert Gibbs response quoted above, tweeted (http://twitter.com/bpshow/statuses/11751850069) that his bosses were not happy about his question:

CNN brass emailed me after I asked Gibbs about Erickson, saying I MADE UP the quotes and was out of line. Bullshit - I quoted DIRECTLY.

He also put up a post on his own site (http://www.billpressshow.com/2010/04/07/arrest-erick-erickson/) calling for Erick Erickson to be arrested(!):

Arrest Erick Erickson

Sarah Palin urges people to “reload.” And Sean Hannity calls tea baggers “Timothy McVeigh” wanna-bes.”

You think the right-wing language is getting a little too violent? You ain’t heard nothin’ yet.

Red state blogger and CNN contributor Erick Erickson refuses to fill out his census form. Which means a local census worker might show up at his home. If so, warns, Erickson – and I quote him directly – I’m gonna “pull out my wife’s shotgun and see how that little twerp likes being scared at the door.”

Now, there’s only one way to read that: he is threatening the life of a federal agent. Which is exactly what nine members of a Michigan militia group were arrested and thrown in prison for last week.

So, what I want to know is:

Why is Mr. Erickson still at large? He is as dangerous as any member of any armed militia who threatens the life of federal agents.

And why is Mr. Erickson still on CNN’s payroll? There should be no place for that kind of violent language on American television. Not even on Fox. Certainly, not on CNN.

Two things to remember: One, the census is no threat to anybody, and it IS required by the U.S. Constitution.

Two, I’m all for freedom of speech, but threats to assassinate government officials is not protected by the First Amendment.

Lock Erick Erickson up – and throw the key away.

That’s my parting shot for today.

Thereby proving that Bill Press also hates free speech, and America.

bjkeefe
04-07-2010, 05:37 PM
AP sources: FBI arrests man for threatening Pelosi

By DEVLIN BARRETT (AP) – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — Law enforcement officials tell The Associated Press the FBI has arrested a northern California man for making threatening phone calls to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi over health care reform.

Charges against the alleged caller have yet to be disclosed.

Several federal officials say the man made dozens of calls to Pelosi's homes in California and Washington, as well as to her husband's business office, reciting her home address and saying if she wanted to see it again, she would not support the health care overhaul bill that was recently enacted.

One official said the man is believed to have spoken directly with Pelosi at least once.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

(AP (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzaRXQdcub1UIBXRbYBYQAayAaQAD9EUECV00), via Jim Newell (http://wonkette.com/414704/someone-threatened-nancy-pelosi-really))

Also, WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/07/AR2010040703720.html) has the Reuters version.

==========

[UPDATE] MSNBC (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/07/2260334.aspx) reports that the calls were "harrassing," not "threatening," which is a less serious charge.

Also, Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35501.html) says:

The court documents are sealed and will remain so until the man appears in San Francisco federal court Thursday morning, the source told POLITICO Wednesday afternoon.

Bloomberg (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/04/07/bloomberg1376-L0IZCM0UQVI9-1.DTL) has his name: "Gregory Lee Giusti, 48, of San Francisco." Same info from SF Examiner (http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/SF-man-arrested-for-alleged-Pelosi-threats-90126927.html).

bjkeefe
04-07-2010, 06:27 PM
Update on this story, from TPM (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/man-charged-with-death-threats-apparently-attended-tea-party-protest-of-murray.php):

Man Charged With Death Threats Apparently Attended Tea Party Protest Targeting Murray

Charles Alan Wilson, the 63-year-old charged (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/ap-man-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-sen-murray.php) with making a series of death threats against Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), appears to have attended a tea party protest outside a Murray speaking event in Yakima, Washington, less than a week ago -- in the midst of the period when Wilson made the alleged death threats.

Wilson, who the FBI says had a concealed weapon permit and a .38 that he bragged about carrying, allegedly said in a phone message he left at Murray's office April 4 that he was at an event in Yakima "waiting for" Murray the week before.

On April 1, the previous Thursday, over 100 tea party protesters rallied outside a Murray appearance at the Greater Yakima Chamber of Commerce, according to a report (http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2010/04/01/tea-partiers-rally-against-murray) in the Yakima Herald-Republic.

In the April 4 message, Wilson allegedly said:

"Oh, you were in Yakima last week. How come you didn't give a big speech to the people outside waiting to see you? Yeah, we were outside waiting for you, hopefully you would come out and explain to us how come this health-care bill that you rallied on so highly is going to create the biggest drain in American history."

bjkeefe
04-07-2010, 08:16 PM
Did Cole ever write anything explaining his epic ideological shift? I'd be interested in seeing that, if it exists. I knew that he had been a conservative, but I thought that he was just a Republican voter -- I didn't know that he had been an actual member of the conservative blogosphere.

While looking for something else, I happened across this 31 Oct 2007 post (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2006/10/31/this-is-no-fun/).

Interesting lead-ups here (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/10/27/lets-be-blunt/) (27 Oct) and here (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/08/23/sullivan-lets-loose/) (23 Aug), and I'd imagine just skimming the archives for late summer and fall 2007 would yield some other interesting moments.

bjkeefe
04-07-2010, 10:29 PM
I'm listening now to an episode of Fresh Air that aired a couple of weeks ago, on 25 Mar 2010, on which Terry Gross interviews Mark Potok from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The main topic is the recent resurgence and growth of hate groups and militias. Potok makes a number of points early on about how Republican politicians and prominent conservative media figures are fueling the problem.

There's a text introduction on the same page as the audio link (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124906766&ps=cprs). The interview is about 37 minutes long.

(h/t: mistermix (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/07/real-anti-semites/))

==========

Further reading: Mark's report in the SPLC's Intelligence Report, Spring 2010: "Rage on the Right: The Year in Hate and Extremism (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/rage-on-the-right)."

bjkeefe
04-07-2010, 10:56 PM
I'm listening now to an episode of Fresh Air that aired a couple of weeks ago, on 25 Mar 2010, on which Terry Gross interviews Mark Potok from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The main topic is the recent resurgence and growth of hate groups and militias. Potok makes a number of points early on about how Republican politicians and prominent conservative media figures are fueling the problem.

There's a text introduction on the same page as the audio link (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124906766&ps=cprs). The interview is about 37 minutes long. [...]

Just finished listening. I'd recommend it, although if you've been following this stuff closely for a while, it may strike you as not a whole lot of new information.

Also just noticed you can read the entire transcript (http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=124906766) for the show. (This is new to me -- last I looked, you had to pay for most NPR transcripts. Hurrah, I say.)

Whatfur
04-08-2010, 08:04 AM
Bastards didn't like his car though!!!! (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/07/tea.party.rallies/?hpt=Sbin)

bjkeefe
04-08-2010, 11:07 AM
Bastards didn't like his car though!!!! (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/07/tea.party.rallies/?hpt=Sbin)

As someone (http://twitter.com/Johngcole/status/11792024884) noted yesterday: wow, amazing. The teabaggers managed for a few minutes not to act like racist loons in front of a black woman holding a television camera.

Talk about low expectations.

I also think this is classic wingnuttery -- thinking that a snippet of video showing something not happening is the same as PROOF THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS!!!1!

bjkeefe
04-08-2010, 03:07 PM
[...]

Another update (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/mother-of-man-who-allegedly-threatened-pelosi-points-finger-at-fox-video.php):

The elderly mother of Gregory Giusti, the man who is charged (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/ap-man-arrested-for-threatening-pelosi.php) with making threats against Speaker Nancy Pelosi, is partially blaming Fox News for radicalizing her son.

Giusti was charged (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/08/BAF91CRO40.DTL) with a single felony count this morning in Federal court and ordered held without bail. He cried.

==========

Related?
(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/shit-head.jpg)
http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/shit-head.jpg

It would be irresponsible NOT to speculate.

bjkeefe
04-08-2010, 07:23 PM
As someone (http://twitter.com/Johngcole/status/11792024884) noted yesterday: wow, amazing. The teabaggers managed for a few minutes not to act like racist loons in front of a black woman holding a television camera.

Talk about low expectations.

I also think this is classic wingnuttery -- thinking that a snippet of video showing something not happening is the same as PROOF THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS!!!1!

And then there's this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/07/AR2010040703402.html), from Krissah Thompson of the WaPo:

Some black conservatives question tea party's inclusiveness

A year ago Brandon Brice was one of the primary speakers at the tax day "tea party" rally in New York. The 27-year-old African American, who calls himself a hip-hop Republican, felt at home with the fairly diverse crowd of protesters, shouting into the microphone: "We tell the federal government that it does not tell us what to do!"

Today, Brice says he is worried about the movement.

"It's strayed away from the message of wasteful spending and Washington not listening to its constituents, and it's become more of this rally of hate," he said. "The tea party leaders should apologize on behalf of the irresponsible comments that were made, but they should also stand very firm on where we stood and where they stood in 2009."

He and other black conservatives are divided over the grass-roots movement of tea party groups that has caught fire with adherents of small government and fiscal responsibility. The tension stems from reports of racial and homophobic slurs directed against black and gay members of Congress who voted to overhaul health care, from photos circulating on the Internet of signs raised at tea party protests with slogans such as "Obama Promotes White Slavery," and the exhortation of a speaker at the group's convention that voters should be subject to literacy tests.

[...]

Yet Lenny McAllister, a Republican commentator and author, said he has seen racism within the tea party and has confronted it -- approaching people with racially derogatory signs of President Obama and asking them to take the signs down. Like Brice, he said leaders of the movement must not ignore the issue.

"I feel like the tea party movement is at its core a good thing for America. It is a group of citizens that have not been previously involved," McAllister said. "The people are speaking up and becoming more educated on the issues, but you have fringe elements that are defining this good thing with their negative, hateful behavior."

[...]

Debate about race and the tea party has also been intense among black conservatives online. Comments on the blog Booker Rising, a popular forum for blacks who follow the tenets of Booker T. Washington's conservatism, and the site Hip Hop Republican have been across the board.

Jean Howard-Hill, a moderate Republican who leads the National Republican African American Caucus, wrote that she is "not sure what's in the cup of tea."

"Any movement which cannot openly denounce racism, calling it out as wrong troubles me," she wrote. "To attack President Obama on his policy is one thing, but to do so on his race or some hysterical pretext of socialism is yet another."

Troy Rolling, vice chairman of Michigan Republican Party and secretary general for the Frederick Douglass Foundation, sees it differently. As a grass-roots coordinator, he sees only upside in the tea party activism for his state's party. "I'm exited to be working with the tea party people," he said. "Most of them are Republicans and most are energized people looking for leadership."

Asked whether he considered himself part of the tea party movement, Rolling demurred. "I consider myself a Frederick Douglass Republican," he said, referring to the black abolitionist. "I consider myself a radical from that standpoint. That says it all. I don't necessarily see myself as a tea party person."

Hat tip to Dave Weigel (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/04/its_become_more_this_rally_of.html), who adds in conclusion:

The straight-up libertarian rhetoric of the tea parties is generally giving black conservatives more to work with, more of a level playing field. But that rhetoric has always been tied in a backlash against federal spending on non-whites and federal intervention to integrate schools and industries. Some of the people that it attracts will be anathemas to black conservatives. And it's a little silly to pretend, as CNN pretended, there's no tension here.

==========

[Added] Also on the topic of Republicans who totally aren't racist, what's former Bush Administration DOJ official Hans von Spakovsky (http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=04&year=2010&base_name=hans_von_spakovsky_back_to_his) up to these days?

bjkeefe
04-08-2010, 10:30 PM
John Cole has an interesting take (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/02/all-in-the-game/) on Erick Son of Shotgun's recent noise-making.

Remember, or be aware if you didn't already know, that John Cole used to blog at RedState.

[Added] And see the last line, especially, of this post (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/02/im-only-here-for-the-buffet/).

Update: John says it's all going as he predicted, because the GHEMRotRSTF has just scored a book deal (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/08/someone-has-a-book-to-sell-2/)! With Regnery!

(Nice tame title (http://www.amazon.com/Red-State-Uprising-Take-America/dp/1596986263), too.)

listener
04-08-2010, 11:41 PM
(Nice tame title (http://www.amazon.com/Red-State-Uprising-Take-America/dp/1596986263), too.)

Yes, I agree, way too restrained. Much better: "Let's Just Get It Over With and Blow Their Fucking Brains Out." Then he can follow up with a book tour of Starbucks (http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/04/news/companies/Starbucks_gun_policy/) franchises all across this Great Land of Ours.

bjkeefe
04-09-2010, 11:01 AM
From the WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/08/AR2010040805476.html?hpid=topnews) (via (http://wonkette.com/414735/were-so-pretty-oh-so-pretty-were-vacant-mitt-too)):

Anger over the health-care overhaul has led to a nearly threefold increase in recent months in the number of serious threats against members of Congress (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032402122.html), federal law enforcement officials said.

The lawmakers reported 42 threats in the first three months of this year, compared with 15 in the last three months of 2009, said Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terrance W. Gainer, who had information about threats involving both chambers.

"The incidents ranged from very vulgar to serious threats, including death threats," Gainer said. "The ability to carry them out is another question and part of an investigation to determine what, if any, appropriate steps to take."

Nearly all of the recent threats appear to come from opponents of the health-care overhaul, said Gainer, who also served four years as chief of the U.S. Capitol Police. And, he said, there have been "significantly more" threats against House members than against senators.

Farther down, a sad consequence ...

A few members have reacted to the threats by lowering their public profiles. Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) canceled an event at a Youngstown community health center because he received a threatening letter, his spokeswoman told a local television station.

... and the latest example:

This week, Rep. Stephen I. Cohen (D-Tenn.) received hostile e-mails to his Cohen for Congress campaign Web site, an incident that was reported to the Capitol Police and the FBI office in Memphis. One e-mail said, "If our tea parties had hoods, we would burn your [expletive] on a cross on the White House front lawn," according to Cohen's chief of staff.

kezboard
04-10-2010, 10:25 PM
One e-mail said, "If our tea parties had hoods, we would burn your [expletive] on a cross on the White House front lawn," according to Cohen's chief of staff.

You can't say "ass" in the Washington Post?

bjkeefe
04-10-2010, 10:34 PM
You can't say "ass" in the Washington Post?

No. Because that is synonymous with donkey, which is a symbol of the Democratic Party, and giving mention to this party without mentioning the other would cause David Broder to has a sad.

listener
04-10-2010, 10:55 PM
No. Because that is synonymous with donkey, which is a symbol of the Democratic Party, and giving mention to this party without mentioning the other would cause David Broder to has a sad.

Damn, Brendan, you beat me to the punch line once more! :(

Curses, foiled again (http://qbmustachewaxx.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/snidley_whiplash.12863119.png)...

Whatfur
04-13-2010, 06:40 AM
"Too Dumb to check: Lefties publicly advertising plans to frame tea partiers as racist" (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/12/too-dumb-to-check-lefties-publicly-advertising-plans-to-frame-tea-partiers-as-racist/)

No need to go to link. We get enough of that right here.

Whatfur
04-19-2010, 09:15 PM
Doh! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/17/AR2010041702652_2.html)

bjkeefe
04-19-2010, 10:47 PM
More violence-loving (http://wonkette.com/414920/insane-death-machine-still-only-gets-6310-on-real-american-scale-for-forgetting-truck-nutz) teabagging wingnuts, stroking their ... somethings (http://wonkette.com/414931/liz-glover-interviews-americas-armed-protector)!

Glad no one got shot today. Good thing no one showed up at their big McVeigh Memorial Rally (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35993.html).

"Dozens (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/19/gun-rally-second-amendmen_n_542872.html)." LOL.

I see militia leader Mike Vanderboegh (http://washingtonindependent.com/82730/armed-group-warns-lawmakers-of-consequences-of-gun-restrictions) is still running his mouth, though.

bjkeefe
04-20-2010, 03:19 PM
Meet Republican candidate for Congress Harley D. Brown, who says (http://www.harleydbrownforcongress.org/bio.html) (emph. orig.) he is running because "I have an intense burning desire to destroy all the works of those Progressive Liberal Politicians in Washington D.C. whom I brand as vile domestic enemies to the country and Constitution we’re SWORN TO DEFEND."

Among his "key issues" are a desire to "attack and annihilate" the national debt and a belief that "well over 90% of what the Feds do today is unconstitutional and should be eliminated by We the People. The sooner the better!"

His campaign slogans (http://www.harleydbrownforcongress.org/index.html) include:

A REAL MAN FOR CONGRESS

"NUKE THEIR ASS
GRAB THEIR GAS"

"KEEP THE QUEENS OUT OF THE MARINES"

GUN CONTROL... IS HITTING YOUR TARGET

"IF THE GOVERNMENT WANTS
TO TAKE MY GUNS, I'LL
GIVE THEM THE
BULLETS FIRST"

Also, he's a proud evangelist, who claims:

... I led approximately 1,000 lost souls to the Lord Jesus Christ: Drunks and Winos, Hookers and Strippers, Bums, and Homeless; Hippies and Rainbow people, Bikers, and Villains, Truckers and Construction workers, Businessmen and Proletarians, psychos and weirdo's, homos and lesbians; even some people who looked normal and smelled nice.

He does not say whether he is related to Republican Senator Scott Brown or not.

(h/t: Jim Newell (http://wonkette.com/414944/idaho-cartoon-villain-will-save-congress))

listener
04-20-2010, 04:26 PM
Woah, that dude is scary looking!

I dig the military camouflage background on his site, though. Very chic. And "Keep the Queens out of the Marines" does have a certain Neanderthal panache to it. Though if this fellow was running the military, I think my slogan would be "Keep the Marines out of Queens!"

Overall, though, I think the guy seems a little left-of-center for Idaho.

[? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queens)]

Whatfur
04-22-2010, 07:30 PM
Eating their own. (http://townhall.com/columnists/HughHewitt/2010/04/22/donny,_we_hardly_knew_ye!?page=full&comments=true)

bjkeefe
04-23-2010, 02:35 PM
TPM (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/gingrich-tea-party-movement-will-be-militant-wing-of-the-republican-party.php) via Ken Layne (http://wonkette.com/415007/gingrich-wants-teabaggers-to-rise-up-smash-the-system):

While speaking last night in Pennsylvania, former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) predicted that the Tea Party movement would be an important part of the Republican party -- the "militant wing," in fact.

Whatfur
04-23-2010, 06:53 PM
Yeah, just another guy speaking truths. (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2010/04/keith_olbermann_deutsch_msnbc.html)

bjkeefe
04-24-2010, 11:16 PM
News out of Ohio (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/politics/racial-slur-by-tea-party-leader-hits-home-647303.html), a couple of weeks ago (via (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/04/12/i-am-stuck-on-crazy-cuz-crazys-stuck-on-me/)):

SPRINGBORO — Racist comments, including a slur about Hispanics, posted on the Twitter page of the Springboro Tea Party were particularly hurtful to Alana Turner.

“Illegals everywhere today! So many spics makes me feel like a speck. Grrr. Wheres my gun!?” said the March 21 posting on the site managed by the group’s founder, Sonny Thomas.

Turner said the comments upset her because she and Thomas have a 6-year-old son who is part Hispanic.

“Basically, it’s like he’s saying he hates his son,” Turner said.

[Added: screen shot of the tweet here (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201004140039).]

As you might expect, once that news got around, the more prominent speakers scheduled to speak bailed out. (And I gotta say, when you've scared away James Traficant and another guy (Robert Owens) who's a Bircher...) Which left as the only speaker, yup, Sonny Thomas. One problem though (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime/springboro-tea-party-founder-in-jail-during-rally--657049.html):

FRANKLIN — Time is running out for the founder of the Springboro Tea Party to attend a rally he organized in North Park in Springboro.

Brian D. “Sonny” Thomas, 37, of Springboro, remained in the Warren County Jail on Friday, April 16, after his video arraignment in Franklin Municipal Court.

Court officials said there was no indication Thomas would post the $25,000 bond set Friday by Franklin Municipal Judge Rupert Ruppert.

Thomas declined a request for an interview.

Thomas is facing a charge of menacing, a fourth-degree misdemeanor, in addition to violating a temporary protection order, a first-degree misdemeanor.

A woman helping him get his son for visitation told police Thomas threatened her life and that she fears he will harm her.

Ah, okay. One bad apple, is what we're supposed to say here. How about, say, down in Texas, though?

Take it away, Charles Blow (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/opinion/17blow.html):

On Thursday, I came here outside Dallas for a Tea Party rally.

At first I thought, “Wow! This is much more diverse than the rallies I’ve seen on television.”

Then I realized that I was looking at stadium workers. I should have figured as much when I approached the gate. The greeter had asked, “Are you working tonight?”

[...]

I had specifically come to this rally because it was supposed to be especially diverse. And, on the stage at least, it was. The speakers included a black doctor who bashed Democrats for crying racism, a Hispanic immigrant who said that she had never received a single government entitlement and a Vietnamese immigrant who said that the Tea Party leader was God. It felt like a bizarre spoof of a 1980s Benetton ad.

The juxtaposition was striking: an abundance of diversity on the stage and a dearth of it in the crowd, with the exception of a few minorities like the young black man who carried a sign that read “Quit calling me a racist.”

What's your problem, Charles? Sounds like every Republican national convention I've ever seen. Anyway, please continue.

I found the imagery surreal and a bit sad: the minorities trying desperately to prove that they were “one of the good ones”; the organizers trying desperately to resolve any racial guilt among the crowd. The message was clear: How could we be intolerant if these multicolored faces feel the same way we do?

It was a farce. This Tea Party wanted to project a mainstream image of a group that is anything but. A New York Times/CBS News poll released on Wednesday found that only 1 percent of Tea Party supporters are black and only 1 percent are Hispanic. It’s almost all white.

And even when compared to other whites, their views are extreme and marginal. For instance, white Tea Party supporters are twice as likely as white independents and eight times as likely as white Democrats to believe that Barack Obama was born in another country.

Furthermore, they were more than eight times as likely as white independents and six times as likely as white Democrats to think that the Obama administration favors blacks over whites.

Thursday night I saw a political minstrel show devised for the entertainment of those on the rim of obliviousness and for those engaged in the subterfuge of intolerance. I was not amused.

Hmmm. What can you say to that?

Well, if you're prominent wingnut blogger Jammie Wearing Fool, you can sit down at your keyboard and type out a screed about who's the REAL racist. By calling Charles Blow an "affirmative action" hire!

(TBogg (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/04/17/a-whiter-shade-of-fail/) has the details.)

bjkeefe
04-24-2010, 11:28 PM
[...]

Following up on the last, here's some more about Teabagger Leader Sonny Thomas (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/local_tea_party_leader_who_suggested_shooting_hisp .php):

The tweet wasn't the first evidence that Thomas may be unusually preoccupied with race. Among the links to the Springboro Tea Party site is one to a site called white-pride.org (http://white-pride.org/), which sells t-shirts expressing pride in various European ancestries. CNN found a picture (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0414/cnn-anchor-rips-bigot-ohio-tea-party-leader/) on Thomas's MySpace page -- no longer available -- of him wearing a "white pride" t-shirt. The "White Pride" slogan is frequently used by white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

As police searched for him yesterday [before the arraignment I noted in the last post --bjk], Thomas tweeted (http://twitter.com/SpringboroTea/status/12120965100): "Did You Know There are Over 300 Fema Concentration Camps in The United States". He linked to an extremist website telling readers to "resist the new world order." He also tweeted: "Professionals advise 'Arm yourself' When Seconds Count - Cops are minutes away."

Not racist!!!1! Not violent!!!1!

bjkeefe
04-25-2010, 01:02 AM
[...] Hmmm. What can you say to that?

Well, if you're prominent wingnut blogger Jammie Wearing Fool, you can sit down at your keyboard and type out a screed about who's the REAL racist. By calling Charles Blow an "affirmative action" hire!

(TBogg (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/04/17/a-whiter-shade-of-fail/) has the details.)

Evidently, this is not unusual behavior (http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2010/04/cue-dueling-banjos.html) for the Jammie Fool.

bjkeefe
04-27-2010, 04:04 PM
Forget all that (http://gazetteonline.com/breaking-news/2010/04/27/3rd-district-gop-hopefuls-take-tough-stances-on-immigration) (via (http://wonkette.com/415065/415065), via (http://iowaindependent.com/32926/install-microchips-in-illegal-immigrants-gop-candidate-says)):

Third District GOP congressional hopefuls called for more R&D on illegal immigration – as in round-up and deport.

Speaking at a Tama County Republican forum Monday, six candidates for the GOP nomination to face seven –term Democratic Rep. Leonard Boswell opposed amnesty for illegal aliens and called for tougher enforcement of border security.

“I think we should catch ’em, we should document ’em, make sure we know where they are and where they are going,” said Pat Bertroche, an Urbandale physician. “I actually support micro-chipping them. I can micro-chip my dog so I can find it. Why can’t I micro-chip an illegal?

“That’s not a popular thing to say, but it’s a lot cheaper than building a fence they can tunnel under,” Bertroche said.

Whatfur
04-27-2010, 09:45 PM
More proof of global warming. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HvqRWqClSc)

Coke bottles thrown at backs of police officers. Nice.

Whatfur
04-28-2010, 09:39 PM
No replies here eh? Frauds.

claymisher
04-29-2010, 12:03 AM
This has been the best Confederate History Month ever.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/04/28/confederate-history-month-prone-to-violence/

popcorn_karate
04-29-2010, 02:49 PM
your link leads to a dead end.

nikkibong
04-29-2010, 03:01 PM
your link leads to a dead end.

dont they all?

Whatfur
04-29-2010, 06:56 PM
dont they all?

Yeah especially when I link to your articles.

Actually I think my link is fine. youTube is requiring you have an account for some reason. You ought to be smart enough to read the directions on your screen...maybe not.

Whatfur
05-01-2010, 09:43 PM
Who is the bully party again? (http://weeklystandard.com/articles/bully-party)

kezboard
05-01-2010, 11:26 PM
None of this is distracting the Obama administration and congressional Democrats from their fulltime occupation: demonizing the political opposition.

There, there. You can't always win. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I)

By the way, "full time" is one word according to the Weekly Standard?

Whatfur
05-02-2010, 08:26 AM
I don't expect to always win when the game is played fair either. I will take your non-denials as agreement with what the article purports, your link as further validation of what I said earlier about people from Chicago, and your "BTW" as proof of your lack of both an argument and originality.

Whatfur
05-02-2010, 10:01 PM
Tea party turns violent. (http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14998618?nclick_check=1)

kezboard
05-02-2010, 11:10 PM
If you and Continetti want to whine that your party is on the wrong side of the spin about financial reform, that's fine. Just don't mistake it for an actual argument that could convince anyone about anything.

Whatfur
05-03-2010, 07:35 AM
If you and Continetti want to whine that your party is on the wrong side of the spin about financial reform, that's fine. Just don't mistake it for an actual argument that could convince anyone about anything.

You read or understood very little from the article, but continue to flap your gums. Not to mention the fact that your projection of whining does not make it so.

Whatfur
05-11-2010, 08:05 AM
Democrats and their idiotic rhetoric. (http://townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2010/05/11/left_is_certain_of_tea_partiers_motives,_but_finds _terrorists_inscrutable?page=full&comments=true)

Complete with mention of our house idiot Ezra!!!

bjkeefe
05-31-2010, 06:04 PM
[link] ... townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/ ...

If you're not sure who Dennis Prager is and where he's coming from, see, for example, here (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2006/12/hating-americas-freedoms.html), here (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/12/madness-continues.html), and here (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2010/02/we-need-new-definition-for-prager.html).

Kind of amazing that anyone would approvingly link to him. Even old 'fur.

bjkeefe
06-09-2010, 03:48 AM
It just never stops (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/father-and-son-arrested-for-threatening-to-kill-stupak-over-health-care.php), does it?

Father And Son Arrested For Threatening To Kill Stupak Over Health Care

Just a one-time thing? No (http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/06/08/father-son-busted-for-dexter-inspired-death-threat-against-stupak/).

The letter was penned by Russell Hesch, a resident of Northern Michigan, in April, but it was not received by Stupak’s office until May. Russell Hesch was immediately suspected as the author of the death threat, as he is one of Stupak’s most vocal critics, having sent at least 55 e-mails to the Michigan congressman. Hesch claims he is a retired lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army.

Emph. added.

(h/t: Riley Waggaman (http://wonkette.com/415849/give-your-dad-bart-stupak-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving))

bjkeefe
06-15-2010, 05:55 PM
Opening of a review of Glenn Beck's new book (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/14/AR2010061405423.html):

The success of Glenn Beck's novel, "The Overton Window," will be measured not by its literary value (none), or its contribution to the thriller genre (small), or the money it rakes in (considerable), but rather by the rebelliousness it incites among anti-government extremists. If the book is found tucked into the ammo boxes of self-proclaimed patriots and recited at "tea party" assemblies, then Beck will have achieved his goal.

The story line, which fictionalizes Beck's well-known paranoia about a secret Big Government plan to crush the liberties of well-meaning citizens, is an extended call to arms, a rallying cry to his angry foot soldiers long stirred by his rantings on Fox News. As the last line of the book warns, "We're everywhere. . . . The fight starts tomorrow."

(previously (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=165296#post165296))

listener
06-15-2010, 08:01 PM
Opening of a review of Glenn Beck's new book (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/14/AR2010061405423.html):

As the last line of the book warns, "We're everywhere. . . . The fight starts tomorrow."

(previously (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=165296#post165296))

Sorry, Glenn. No way you can top this:

[John Galt] raised his hand and over the desolate earth he traced in space the sign of the dollar.

JonIrenicus
06-15-2010, 10:04 PM
[John Galt] raised his hand and over the desolate earth he traced in space the sign of the dollar.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs0YPN9Qqbk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKOfz99jkfQ&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bncxTilQKAs&feature=fvw


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Ryan_(BioShock)

listener
06-15-2010, 11:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs0YPN9Qqbk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKOfz99jkfQ&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bncxTilQKAs&feature=fvw


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Ryan_(BioShock)

NHOOO!! ;)

Whatfur
06-18-2010, 07:48 PM
Violent Economics lesson from Paul Ryan. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSUh8W8lDk4)

bjkeefe
06-20-2010, 06:53 PM
This is old, posted as it was in reaction to April's GIANT MARCH ON WASHINGTON, WITH GUNS, TO KEEP OBAMA FROM TAKING OUR GUNS, but it's so well done, it deserves a look: "Rifle Games for 7-Year-Olds, What a Drag (http://whiskeyfire.typepad.com/whiskey_fire/2010/04/rifle-games-for-7yearolds-what-a-drag.html)."

bjkeefe
06-23-2010, 07:30 PM
Brent Furer, a "trusted aide" to Sen. Diapers "David" Vitter (R-La.) shows what Republican family values (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/vitter-aide-attacked-girlfriend-pleaded-guilty/story?id=10913025&page=1) are all about:

Vitter spokesman DiGrado acknowledged the senator had concerns about the 2008 arrest, in which Furer was accused of holding his ex-girlfriend against her will for 90 minutes, threatening to kill her, placing his hand over her mouth, and cutting her in the hand and neck.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE ARREST WARRANT AFFIDAVIT (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/page?id=10928769)

The victim, Nicolia Demopoulos, 27, declined to be interviewed. But a police report, photos submitted to the court, and charging documents all shed light on the alleged attack.

After drinking at a restaurant, the two returned to Furer's Capitol Hill apartment, the report says. Furer "would not let her leave." He "pulled on her coat, which caused it to rip," then "pulled out a knife and stabbed [her] in the hand," the police report says.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE INCIDENT REPORT (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/page?id=10925332)

Charging documents allege that Furer became angry when he found phone numbers for other men in her blackberry. He smashed her phone when she tried to call 911, the records say, and he shoved her to the floor when she tried to leave, then held his hand over her mouth and threw her on a bed.

Demopoulos told police Furer "uttered the words to her, 'Do you want to get serious.'" Then, the arrest warrant states, Furer "grabbed an unknown object and held it under her neck. The suspect asked the complainant, 'Do you want to die?' The complainant replies and she stated, 'No, I don't want to die.'"

So, what was this guy doing for Sen. Vitter, while this news was being covered up the the DEMOCRAT-MEDIA COMPLEX the last couple of years? Besides being given payments by Vitter "for 'campaign management,'" while he was supposedly doing community service for other crimes, like drunk driving and cocaine possession, I mean? Besides running over a motorcyclist with his SUV during a fit of road rage, and breaking the biker's leg, I mean?

The aide, Brent Furer, worked on the Republican senator's last campaign, and has spent the last five years posted in his Washington office to handle, among other things, women's issues.

Sounds like he has 'em, all right.

(h/t: Ken Layne (http://wonkette.com/416229/david-vitters-beloved-drunken-aide-slashes-girlfriends))

pampl
06-23-2010, 07:55 PM
I can't believe I'm the first one to post a Sharron Angle quote here.
"I hope that’s not where we’re going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I’ll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."
This is what a Tea Party-endorsed Senate candidate looks like.

Lyle
06-23-2010, 08:12 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/prosecutor_al_gore_was_focus_o.html

Today, as the National Enquirer reported that it had interviewed a Portland masseuse who complained of unwanted sexual contact by the former vice president at the Hotel Lucia on Oct. 24, 2006, the district attorney’s office was notified that the Portland Police Bureau had conducted a further investigation of the allegation in 2009.

Waa Waa Wee Waa

pampl
06-23-2010, 08:26 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/prosecutor_al_gore_was_focus_o.html



Waa Waa Wee Waa

Wow, a complaint that was dismissed years ago because there was no evidence. Next you should post that youtube guy who said he smoked crack with Obama then had gay orgies.

edit: as a sidenote, "rhetoric" doesn't mean "grab boobs"

bjkeefe
07-19-2010, 10:27 AM
Looks like one of their biggest voices (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=170493#post170493) in the blogosphere is itching to go there again.

WOLVERINEZZZ!!!1!

bjkeefe
07-23-2010, 03:43 PM
The Tides Foundation, which prosecutors in California say was among the targets (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/prosecutors_anti-govt_shooting_suspect_in_ca_wanted_to_start_a_revo lution_targeted_aclu.php) of the anti-government unemployed carpenter Byron Williams before he got into a chaotic shootout with several law enforcement officers Sunday, is also a favorite topic of Fox News host Glenn Beck.

Beginning in 2009 (and as recently as last week), Beck has repeatedly included the group -- along with ACORN, the SEIU and George Soros -- in his cabal of liberals and liberal organizations that are supposedly agents of President Obama's plan to spread Marxist and socialist ideas throughout the United States.

Of course, that doesn't mean that Beck necessarily inspired or influenced Williams' alleged plan to attack the Tides Foundation. But the group has been something of a whipping boy for Beck over the last year.

Williams was charged (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/prosecutors_anti-govt_shooting_suspect_in_ca_wanted_to_start_a_revo lution_targeted_aclu.php) yesterday with allegedly opening fire on police officers on Interstate 580 in Oakland, California, while on his way to "start a revolution" by attacking members of the ACLU and the Tides Foundation. Williams was reportedly (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/prosecutors_anti-govt_shooting_suspect_in_ca_wanted_to_start_a_revo lution_targeted_aclu.php) upset about "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items," in the words of his mother. (Which, we have to admit, do sound like words Glenn Beck might say).

The ACLU is well known for advocating and litigating against civil liberties violations, but the Tides Foundation, founded in 1976, is a little more obscure. The group describes its mission statement (http://www.tides.org/news-resources/tidings/1006/index.html) as:

to partner with philanthropists, foundations, activists, and organizations across the country and across the globe to promote economic justice, robust democratic processes, and the opportunity to live in a healthy and sustainable environment where human rights are preserved and protected.

But, according to Glenn Beck, Tides' real agenda is more sinister.

Read the rest (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/organization_targeted_by_anti-govt_ca_shooting_suspect_was_frequent_topic_on_gle nn_becks_show_video.php). Includes numerous examples of Beck ranting and plain making shit up about this group.

bjkeefe
07-25-2010, 10:45 AM
Read the rest (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/organization_targeted_by_anti-govt_ca_shooting_suspect_was_frequent_topic_on_gle nn_becks_show_video.php). Includes numerous examples of Beck ranting and plain making shit up about this group.

Some follow up from O-dub (http://www.oliverwillis.com/2010/07/24/oakland-shooter-glenn-beck-tides-found-and-dot-connecting/):

Oakland Shooter, Glenn Beck, Tides Foundation And Dot Connecting

My colleagues over at Media Matters have done some legwork (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201007230022) relating to the recent shooting in Oakland where the shooter targeted The Tides Foundation:

According to our searches, since Beck’s show premiered on January 19, 2009, Tides has been mentioned on 31 editions of Fox News programs, 29 of which were editions of Beck’s show (the other two were on Sean Hannity’s program). In most of those references, Beck attacked Tides, often weaving the organization into his conspiracy theories. Two of those Beck mentions occurred during the week before Williams’ shootout.



By contrast, since January 19, 2009, according to our Nexis search, Tides was not mentioned on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, or PBS. Not once. This search is not perfect — Nexis does not include, for example, MSNBC’s daytime coverage. But the contrast with Beck’s coverage is stark.

bjkeefe
07-27-2010, 01:05 AM
GREENVILLE, S.C. -- A mannequin with a picture of Sen. Lindsey Graham's face taped to the head was hung in effigy in downtown Greenville by a protester.

Randall Terry, a nationally-known pro-life supporter from Washington, D.C., came with three supporters to tape a portion of his television show called, "Randall Terry: The Voice of the Resistance."

The anti-abortion activist filmed two skits while in downtown. One of them involved Randall's employee constructing gallows to hang the mannequin with Graham's picture on it.

The other skit involved a stick and a pinata. The workers hit the pinata, which had a picture of Graham on it, until plastic babies fell out of it.

Terry said he was upset with Graham's decision to confirm President Barack Obama's Supreme Court nominee, Elena Kagan.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9092/lindseygrahameffigy.jpg

(Source (http://www.wyff4.com/r/24368885/detail.html) | Pic. source (http://www.wyff4.com/slideshow/slideshows/24369682/detail.html))

Unknown whether Hateway Pundit (http://whiskeyfire.typepad.com/whiskey_fire/2010/03/these-were-things-that-had-to-be-done.html) approved or was jealous that he didn't think of it first.

(h/t: Jack Stuef (http://wonkette.com/416937/lindsey-graham-finally-hung-beaten-in-effigy-in-south-carolina))

listener
07-27-2010, 03:12 AM
(Source (http://www.wyff4.com/r/24368885/detail.html) | Pic. source (http://www.wyff4.com/slideshow/slideshows/24369682/detail.html))

Unknown whether Hateway Pundit (http://whiskeyfire.typepad.com/whiskey_fire/2010/03/these-were-things-that-had-to-be-done.html) approved or was jealous that he didn't think of it first.

(h/t: Jack Stuef (http://wonkette.com/416937/lindsey-graham-finally-hung-beaten-in-effigy-in-south-carolina))

Ugly, ugly stuff.

bjkeefe
07-27-2010, 10:33 PM
Posted: July 27, 2010 09:23 AM
4,235 4,281 Comments

... and counting, as of this moment. Read them all.

I kid. But it's a pretty good post: "Glenn Beck's Incendiary Angst Is Dangerously Close to Having a Body Count (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/glenn-becks-incendiary-an_b_660429.html)."

bjkeefe
08-05-2010, 04:53 PM
Congressman Mike Rogers of Michigan (R-ofcourse) ...

... told a Michigan radio station that he thinks Pfc. Bradley Manning, if found guilty of giving classified military videos and documents to Wikileaks, should be executed for treason.

By the way? The accused is already being held in solitary confinement, despite having yet to be convicted of anything.

Also, to remind you, the accusations against Manning have only to do with that video released some time ago, and not the recent document dump. Mike Rogers -- and you'll be astounded to learn this -- appears to be unaware of this.

Jim Newell has more (http://gawker.com/5603455/congressman-calls-for-execution-of-wikileaks-leaker), including a useful link to Crunchgear (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/08/03/u-s-congressman-calls-for-execution-of-wikileaks-whistleblower/), where you can hear the whole interview.

bjkeefe
08-12-2010, 12:15 AM
Hurrah for Harry Reid: he uses some of that violent Republican rhetoric against them, in his new ad (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/11/reid-ad-attacks-angles-se_n_679051.html).

Hat tip to B'head Bill Scher, who tweeted (http://twitter.com/billscher/status/20932608680):

You watch the new Harry Reid ad, then the Ben Quayle ad, and you wonder, when did Democrats get better than Republicans at politics?

==========

P.S. Here's the Ben Quayle ad (http://gawker.com/5610320/meet-dan-quayles-very-weird-kid).

TwinSwords
08-12-2010, 12:46 AM
Hurrah for Harry Reid: he uses some of that violent Republican rhetoric against them, in his new ad (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/11/reid-ad-attacks-angles-se_n_679051.html).

Hat tip to B'head Bill Scher, who tweeted (http://twitter.com/billscher/status/20932608680):



==========

P.S. Here's the Ben Quayle ad (http://gawker.com/5610320/meet-dan-quayles-very-weird-kid).
You know, I was thinking recently that there are two choices in the Nevada Senate race: The conservative choice, and the fucking lunatic candidate.

If a person was truly any kind of conservative, they would vote for Harry Reid. A vote for Angle is a vote for the kind of pure dementia that has become the norm in Republican politics.

Maybe we can get some commenter in here to tell us how fondly they recall what the Republican Party was like in 1958, and how by god they aren't going to let go of those precious memories!!!1!

bjkeefe
08-15-2010, 11:41 AM
After his last two trials ended with hung juries, Hal Turner was convicted (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0814/fbis-white-supremacist-shock-jock-convicted-threatening-judges) Friday of a single count of threatening federal judges. He was jailed immediately after the verdict was read, and now faces up to ten years in prison. (h/t: @ronaldjackson (http://twitter.com/ronaldjackson/status/21236965853))

No comment yet from his old friend Sean Hannity (http://www.oliverwillis.com/2010/08/13/hannity-pal-neo-nazi-hal-turner-convicted-of-threatening-judges/).

[Added] Some more details here (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view/20100814shock_jock_found_guilty_of_threats_to_murd er_judges/), especially on his role as an FBI informant:

In an effective strategic move, prosecutors for the first time put on two of Turner’s Joint Terrorism Task Force handlers as rebuttal witnesses after Tuner’s defense rested.

The handlers — FBI Special Agent Steven Haug and New Jersey State Police Detective Sgt. Leonard Nerbetski — contradicted key elements of Turner’s testimony, denying they gave him legal advice on the difference between protected and unprotected speech, or that he was instructed to "ratchet up his rhetoric" to help the FBI find the killer of Lefkow’s family in 2005.

Haug said Turner’s incendiary Web postings and trash talk made him a frequent "control" problem for the FBI, but that his unique access to the white supremacist movement also made him a valuable asset.

Also on why he was jailed immediately:

U.S. District Judge Donald Walter ordered Turner locked up as a danger to the community pending sentencing.

[...]

The judge ordered Turner’s immediate incarceration after an investigation into an attempt to intimidate or tamper with a witness, Haug, who was Turner’s principal handler from 2003 to 2007.

bjkeefe
08-15-2010, 06:53 PM
B'head Matt Duss (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/14/erickson-tweets-mosque/):

CNN Contributor Erickson Compares Building of Mosque To ‘Human Sacrifice’

Reacting angrily to President Obama’s statement (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/obamas-remarks-about-ground-ze.html) yesterday in support (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/13/obama-mosque-defense/) of the Cordoba House community center in lower Manhattan on the basis of religious freedom (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jYi7bqWuZd_crahzrd7UPoDxvyIAD9HJAU880), blogger and CNN contributor Erick Erickson compared supporting the rights of Muslims to establish mosques in America to supporting “human sacrifice (http://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/21154194662)” by the Church of Satan. Erickson went on to suggest that the president’s interpretation of American religious freedom could also extend to support for “jihad” (http://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/21154504450).

http://a.imageshack.us/img826/8986/ericktweetsaboutsatan.png

As the Guardian’s Michael Tomasky notes, the president’s support for the Cordoba House “is going to be demagogued to death (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/aug/14/obama-administration-islam-mosque-hang-tough) in the next few days. The important part is going forward. Hang tough. Stand by the position. Don’t trim sails or add asterisks after Mitch McConnell or Dick Cheney or whomever says whatever hideous thing they’re going to say.”

By supporting the rights of an unpopular religious minority, President Obama is firmly within the bounds of America’s best traditions and values (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/08/02/debate-over-ground-zero-mosque-is-about-american-values/). The same can’t be said of those (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/08/14/the-idiocy-of-barack-obamas-mosque-support/) cultivating fear (http://www.keepamericasafe.com/) of Muslims (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/27/gingrich-mosque-hostile/) for political gain.

Whatfur
08-26-2010, 04:22 PM
That will teach them. (http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/08/25/tea-party-group-hit-with-death-threats)

handle
08-26-2010, 04:32 PM
That will teach them. (http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/08/25/tea-party-group-hit-with-death-threats)

Snore So what went around (remember the calls to the reps?) came back around. If the left follows the the playbook of some on the right, they will imply the threats came from the TP's themselves to get attention, victim status, and make the left look bad. If I were them, I'd avoid that one, don't think it won a whole lot of support.

bjkeefe
01-17-2011, 05:44 AM
From the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence: "Insurrectionism Timeline (http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline)."

(h/t: Roy Edroso (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/01/announcing_in_t.php))

bjkeefe
01-21-2011, 04:23 AM
Almost. (http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2011/01/shoot-nancy-pelosi-nahhh.html)

==========

[Added] In his preceding post, Steve M. makes me wonder (http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2011/01/larry-flynts-of-persecution-heres-greg.html) whether we'll have to start another thread called "Republicans and Their Persecution Rhetoric."

That one would probably fill up fast.

Not4Navigation
01-21-2011, 08:42 AM
"Guns don't kill people, abortion doctors do!"

With the nutjobs exploiting Tucson, I wonder why conservative's do not jump all over the Philadelpha story. Snip snip.

bjkeefe
01-21-2011, 01:33 PM
"Guns don't kill people, abortion doctors do!"

With the nutjobs exploiting Tucson, I wonder why conservative's do not jump all over the Philadelpha story. Snip snip.

Because anything they could say would undercut what they've been chanting for the past couple of weeks about the individual not being representative of any group. It'd take a full-metal wingnut to say with a straight face that doctors as a whole were anything like this guy.

bjkeefe
01-23-2011, 02:02 AM
Seen over on The Reality-Based Community (http://www.samefacts.com/2011/01/uncategorized/shorter-redstate-org/):

Shorter RedState.org
by Mark Kleiman

If you don’t criminalize abortion, we’ll start another Civil War. (http://www.redstate.com/the_directors/2011/01/22/we-have-drawn-a-line/)

Gee, I wonder why it might have occurred to anyone to say that the right wing habitually deploys the rhetoric of violence?

Update For those who are hard of reading, here’s the relevant passage. It follows a not-very-well-written rehearsal of the usual wingnut analogy between Roe v. Wade and Dredd Scott

[O]nce before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed. We remain steadfast in our belief that this will not be necessary again, but only if those committed to justice do not waiver or compromise, and send a clear and unmistakable signal to their elected officials.

Of course, this is silly history as well as appalling rhetoric. The Civil War started not because the abolitionists lost a Supreme Court decision, but because the slavemasters lost an election. But the basic threat is clear: if the lunatic right-to-lifers can’t end abortion by lawful means plus the occasional assassination, they’ll resort to mass violence. Find me a comparable threat from a source with equivalent standing in Democratic politics to the standing RedState has with the GOP, and then let’s talk about the equivalence of the two sides.

I'll also point out this passage from the Trike Force (emph. added):

Here at RedState, we too have drawn a line. We will not endorse any candidate who will not reject the judicial usurpation of Roe v. Wade and affirm that the unborn are no less entitled to a right to live simply because of their size or their physical location.

Wonder how they make that jibe with their non-stop calls for bombing the snots out of other countries.

bjkeefe
01-24-2011, 02:19 AM
The question probably answers itself (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/shawna-forde-trial-will-mainstream-m), sadly.

bjkeefe
01-28-2011, 02:06 PM
San Francisco Examiner (http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crime/2011/01/leland-yee-receives-racist-death-threat), via JAB (http://jabberingstooge.blogsome.com/2011/01/27/the-new-civilitytm-2/):

Leland Yee receives racist death threat from Rush Limbaugh fan

A Rush Limbaugh fan faxed death threats to state Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, on Wednesday morning, according to his spokesman.

The threats came more than a week after Yee asked Limbaugh for an apology for “mocking the Chinese language” and the country’s president on his popular conservative radio program, Yee spokesman Adam Keigwin said.

The senator often receives “heated and excited phone calls” from citizens who are against his liberal policies, but Wednesday’s faxes were “direct and threatening,” Keigwin said.

The expletive-laden faxes sent to Yee’s offices in San Francisco and Sacramento called for “death to all Marxists” and used racist terms to describe President Barack Obama and Yee. [...]

Screen shot of one of the faxes below. Click thumbnail to enlarge. NSFW.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7168/faxsenttolelandyee.th.png (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7168/faxsenttolelandyee.png)

bjkeefe
03-06-2011, 02:38 PM
More than just rhetoric, sometimes: "How right-wing hysterics keep danger levels high for the nation's law-enforcement officers (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/how-right-wing-hysterics-keep-danger)."

A bit over the top in tone, but there's some good information in that post.

bjkeefe
03-09-2011, 04:59 PM
SF Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/03/09/BAJQ1I78S8.DTL) via TPM (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/feds_man_threatened_to_shoot_calif_senator_like_a_ wolf.php):

A convicted arsonist and sex offender has been charged in federal court with sending an e-mail in which he allegedly threatened to kill a U.S. senator if she didn't oppose legislation that would end environmental protections for wolves, court records show.

Tras Gustav Karlsson Berg, 35, who recently moved from San Anselmo to Oakland, sent an e-mail to the California senator on Feb. 24, according to a complaint filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court in San Francisco.

Berg wrote, "I'm going to shoot you with a high-powered rifle and bomb your house with poison gas the way wolf hunters do if you don't do everything you can to oppose legislation that would eliminate Endangered Species Act protections for wolves across the country RIGHT F-- NOW!" according to court records.

[...]

The senator who received the e-mail wasn't identified. Spokesmen for Sen. Barbara Boxer and Sen. Dianne Feinstein said that they do not comment on threats or ongoing investigations.

[...]

Berg has been charged with threatening to assault or murder a U.S. official with the intent to impede, intimidate or interfere with the person's performance of official duties. He is being held without bail at a downtown Oakland jail pending a detention hearing Friday.

But look what the liberal media doesn't tell you until the very last paragraph (emph. added):

Berg is a registered sex offender, convicted of kissing and sending letters and e-mails to a 13-year-old girl who attended a Morgan Hill school where he had worked as a substitute ***teacher***.

Therefore, Scott Walker is right.

bjkeefe
03-16-2011, 01:26 AM
Topeka — A legislator said Monday it might be a good idea to control illegal immigration the way the feral hog population has been controlled: with gunmen shooting from helicopters.

Rep. Virgil Peck, R-Tyro, said he was just joking ...

[Lawrence Journal-World (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/mar/14/legislators-comment-illegal-immigration-criticized/) via Betty Cracker (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/snarkless/)]

Ocean
03-16-2011, 07:24 AM
[Lawrence Journal-World (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/mar/14/legislators-comment-illegal-immigration-criticized/) via Betty Cracker (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/snarkless/)]

If the representative was to be subject to some kind of moral trial, let a psychoanalyst be the judge.