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claymisher
03-21-2010, 05:19 PM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

Frum is unhappy:

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.


http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

listener
03-21-2010, 05:33 PM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

Frum is unhappy:

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

Hey, I was just about to link to the same article -- damn, you beat me to it!

Yes, Frum is unhappy -- but also, I think, perceptive and articulate as to the situation that Republicans now find themselves in, and how they got themselves there.

listener
03-21-2010, 05:48 PM
Boehner to Republicans: if HCR passes, "behave like grownups. (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88155-boehner-to-gop-lawmakers-behave-like-grown-ups)"

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 06:08 PM
Boehner to Republicans: if HCR passes, "behave like grownups. (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88155-boehner-to-gop-lawmakers-behave-like-grown-ups)"

Apparently, they don't listen (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/21/denouncing-the-crazies/) to him so well.

I suppose, in fairness, they weren't asked to "behave like grown-ups" until after the bill passes. Until then, bring your inner four-year-old, Republicans!

listener
03-21-2010, 06:19 PM
Judd Gregg says Republicans will try to get the Parliamentarian to force the House to vote on the bill a second time (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/03/senate-fight-starts-gop-says-senate-parliamentarian-will-kill-fixits-bill.html). I guess this is no surprise; it's what they've been threatening for a while, yes?

JonIrenicus
03-21-2010, 07:05 PM
A tired statement, and still so true. To every independent in Minnesota that broke for Franken over Colman and is pissed off at the bill, look in the mirror.


To all those who supported Iraq, and still did through the rougher patches, understand that 2006 was in large part due to the botching of the post war for too long.


Congratulations liberals. You nearly have it. And once this is passed it will not be easy to undue, not with a veto check for at least another 2-3 years, and almost certainly another 6 (who is going to beat Obama?). And a 60 vote senate check for god knows how long.


So be happy, for the ones who like to shove sticks into conservatives open wounds to inflict more pain, gloat. But when you are done, understand that it really is in your interest to make this work well. Even if the opposition is powerless for now and for a time to stop or roll back your expansions of government responsibility, whether or not what you do works has an effect on peoples lives. So at least try not to turn this into a failure like the old welfare system with the negative incentives.


If we must fall into this model, I hope it will steer more towards Sweden than France. Someone should do a diavlog on the preferred model, I don't think we will be heading to any sort of more libertarian model any time soon.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 07:15 PM
[...]

If you're going to persist in your simplistic view that Teh Left is a monolith, then I will respond in kind by quoting another line from the Frum post (http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo), to suggest that you have some responsibilities, too:

We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

If you don't think this applies to you, then maybe you will think about how what you indulge in comes off in posts like the one you just wrote.

JonIrenicus
03-21-2010, 07:33 PM
If you're going to persist in your simplistic view that Teh Left is a monolith, then I will respond in kind by quoting another line from the Frum post (http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo), to suggest that you have some responsibilities, too:



If you don't think this applies to you, then maybe you will think about how what you indulge in comes off in posts like the one you just wrote.


I think the people who voted for democrats in 2008 are less of a monolith than those who voted republican in 2008. And I don't think the bill is the end of the world. But I also have no reason to think it will stop where it is now. And neither does Reihan, or Chris Hayes, or Frum, or anyone else. I know that is both a liberals hope and a conservatives fear. I think people who believed the same and were less interested in falling towards that inescapable path once started often used whatever rhetorical tactic they could to take the bill out and end the chances. That is all.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 08:53 PM
I think the people who voted for democrats in 2008 are less of a monolith than those who voted republican in 2008. And I don't think the bill is the end of the world. But I also have no reason to think it will stop where it is now. And neither does Reihan, or Chris Hayes, or Frum, or anyone else. I know that is both a liberals hope and a conservatives fear. I think people who believed the same and were less interested in falling towards that inescapable path once started often used whatever rhetorical tactic they could to take the bill out and end the chances. That is all.

The belief that HCR is a step down some slippery slope is a delusion. Whatever else comes next on the so-called liberal agenda will have to be made into law through a completely separate process and set of bills, and there will, once again, be ample opportunity for debate.

I also don't buy your airy dismissal of the insanity of the past fifteen months as "whatever rhetorical tactic." Words matter, especially extreme words, especially when they are lies repeated ad nauseam by the leadership of the Republican Party and the conservative movement(s). What we have now, thanks to these "rhetorical tactics" of yours, is a significant fraction of our country wound up to the point of hysteria. We have too many problems that we have to address as a nation for us to be able to suffer a quarter to a third of the citizenry spending every waking minute pissing their pants about the wholly imaginary looming socialist takeover.

Tell your side to calm down, grow up, and get it through their heads that their fellow citizens have just as much right to think things ought to change for the better as they do to insist that we preserve the status quo, and that if people who want these changes can carry the day on some bill or other, that is what it means to live in a democracy. You don't like it, pick a better country and move there.

That is all.

Ocean
03-21-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm listening to the House Representatives. Talking about hyperbole! According to some this is not about health care reform, the government is changing everything! Tipping points!

What are they going to leave for when climate change policy is discussed?

AemJeff
03-21-2010, 09:24 PM
I'm listening to the House Representatives. Talking about hyperbole! According to some this is not about health care reform, the government is changing everything! Tipping points!

What are they going to leave for when climate change policy is discussed?

Health care reform is the beginning of universal slavery!

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 09:24 PM
I'm listening to the House Representatives. Talking about hyperbole! According to some this is not about health care reform, the government is changing everything! Tipping points!

What are they going to leave for when climate change policy is discussed?

I think they've reserved the Looming One World Government card for that.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 09:30 PM
Frum is unhappy:

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

Interesting take from DougJ (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/21/the-party-of-fox/) on that article.

I would like not to agree with him, but I think, sadly, he's right for the near-term, at least: the GOP and/or the conservative movements are not going to disavow the wingnut media way anytime soon. That's going to take a long and sustained effort (divorce), and given that people have to run for office every two, four, or six years, I don't see the proceedings starting any time soon.

I suppose if some miracle happened and the GOP got trounced in the 2010 elections, that might be of some help, but I could also see even that just causing Rush, Beck, Fox, etc., to howl even louder about insufficient purity.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 09:34 PM
Boehner to Republicans: if HCR passes, "behave like grownups. (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88155-boehner-to-gop-lawmakers-behave-like-grown-ups)"

Still not happening (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/sigh_3.php?ref=fpblg):

SIGH (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/sigh_3.php?ref=fpblg)

From a short time ago, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/rep-nunes-dems-will-lay-the-cornerstone-of-their-socialist-utopia-with-health-care.php?ref=fpblg) on the House floor. By passing health care reform, Democrats "will finally lay the cornerstone of their Socialist utopia on the backs of the American people."

"For most of the 20th century people fled the ghosts of communist dictators. And now you are bringing the ghosts back into this chamber."

Watch the video here (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/rep-nunes-dems-will-lay-the-cornerstone-of-their-socialist-utopia-with-health-care.php?ref=fpblg).

As the reality dawns, the Crazy (tm) intensifies.

--Josh Marshall

[Added] Of course, the actual vote has not yet happened, so technically, I guess, Nunes is still not disobeying Agent Orange.

I think this fine picture (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/jim-clyburn-fingers-cropped-proto-custom_1.jpg) from TPM's home page tells us how far off it is, though:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/jim-clyburn-fingers-cropped-proto-custom_1.jpg

AemJeff
03-21-2010, 09:37 PM
Still not happening (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/sigh_3.php?ref=fpblg):

Speaking of behaving like grownups:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/03/21/we-cant-let-bart-stupak-go-without-a-judas-like-parting-gift/

listener
03-21-2010, 09:42 PM
Agent Orange

Never heard that one before! I like it -- the best quip on the subject since the Prez referred to Boehner as a "person of color."

AemJeff
03-21-2010, 09:43 PM
Never heard that one before! I like it -- the best quip on the subject since the Prez referred to Boehner as a "person of color."

KOS is no longer to be referred to as the "Great Orange Satan."

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 09:48 PM
Speaking of behaving like grownups:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/03/21/we-cant-let-bart-stupak-go-without-a-judas-like-parting-gift/

The GHEMRotRSTF screwed up here.* Why aren't those coins available for purchase through the RedState storefront on Amazon???

Clearly, his selling-out to the Clinton News Network has left him both too well-paid and insufficiently committed to The Cause.

Also, more "horrors" for Stupak: "Stupak Stripped of 'Defender of Life' Award (http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/6370413400.html)."

WASHINGTON, March 21 /Christian Newswire (http://www.christiannewswire.com/)/ -- In response to Rep. Bart Stupak's announcement that he and other self-labeled "pro-life" Democrats will vote in favor of Healthcare reform legislation with the addition of an Executive Order from the White House to address concerns about abortion funding, Susan B. Anthony List Candidate Fund President Marjorie Dannenfelser offered the following statement:

"This Wednesday night is our third annual Campaign for Life Gala, where we were planning to honor Congressman Stupak for his efforts to keep abortion-funding out of health care reform-we will no longer be doing so. [...]"

==========

* [Added] He screwed up twice. What resonance is there in sending 100 pieces of silver? Have they no respect for The Bible???

I'm actually kind of amazed that no one has that same package available, for the same price even, only with thirty pieces.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 09:50 PM
KOS is no longer to be referred to as the "Great Orange Satan."

Huh. Good point. I hate to give that one up, though. Maybe we could just keep it as GOS, the way REM (the band) refused after a while to acknowledge that their name was an initialization.

listener
03-21-2010, 09:51 PM
According to an article posted a few minutes ago in TPM (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/anti-reform-crowd-vows-to-fight-on.php):

1. Move to have states challenge HCR on legal grounds;

2. (related to 1.) Fight to have the bill declared unconstitutional;

3. Fight to repeal the bill in Congress.

We'll see...

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 09:54 PM
According to an article posted a few minutes ago in TPM (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/anti-reform-crowd-vows-to-fight-on.php):

1. Move to have states challenge HCR on legal grounds;

2. (related to 1.) Fight to have the bill declared unconstitutional;

3. Fight to repeal the bill in Congress.

We'll see...

Oh, yeah, especially 1 and 2. This is going to be a long hard slog yet.

Time to dust off the old chestnut: ACTIVIST JUDGES!!!1!

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 09:55 PM
You wanna know how smart Barney Frank is?

This smart (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/frank-tells-tpmdc-protesters-were-nicer-to-him-todayat-first.php?ref=fpb):

"We were hoping to have the vote in the early evening, but they're going to delay and it's going to be late when we have the vote," he said, "and they're going to denounce the fact that the vote was taken in the middle of the night."

Ocean
03-21-2010, 09:55 PM
What are they trying to pull at the last minute?

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 09:59 PM
What are they trying to pull at the last minute?

Stalling tactics, I think. Plus, the chance to get more face time on camera, for fundraising and reelection purposes.

Ocean
03-21-2010, 10:03 PM
Stalling tactics, I think. Plus, the chance to get more face time on camera, for fundraising and reelection purposes.

Yes, but one of the Republicans (couldn't figure out who, I had stepped away when he started talking), proposed to repeal the executive order and have a separate vote instead. Or something like that. I'm not sure what happened, that's why I asked here.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 10:03 PM
Stalling tactics, I think. Plus, the chance to get more face time on camera, for fundraising and reelection purposes.

Outline of schedule here on TPM (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/clock-ticks-toward-historic-vote.php?ref=fpa).

Also, from the NYT's liveblog (http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/live-blogging-the-house-vote/):

8:45 p.m. | Are We There Yet?

Readers and tweeters keep asking, how much longer? When will there be votes? Our congressional experts up here suspect a final round around 10:30 p.m.

And don’t forget, rounds of news conferences, statements and remarks by President Obama after that.

Earlier, a reader asked me directly, what happens after the House votes? If the Democrats succeed, then the Senate has to take up the reconciliation bill passed by the House. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, assured House Democrats on Saturday that he could muster a majority vote on reconciliation.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 10:05 PM
Yes, but one of the Republicans (couldn't figure out who, I had stepped away when he started talking), proposed to repeal the executive order and have a separate vote instead. Or something like that. I'm not sure what happened, that's why I asked here.

I don't know the details of that one, specifically, but my understanding from reading the TPM and NYT pieces (linked to here (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155174#post155174)) is that during the "debate period" before the actual vote on the actual bill, the Republicans are expected to offer all sorts of amendments, calls for different votes, and other procedural stuff, and that this is just kabuki, since they'll just be voted on along party lines, and therefore defeated.

Ocean
03-21-2010, 10:12 PM
I don't know the details of that one, specifically, but my understanding from reading the TPM and NYT pieces (linked to here (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=155174#post155174)) is that during the "debate period" before the actual vote on the actual bill, the Republicans are expected to offer all sorts of amendments, calls for different votes, and other procedural stuff, and that this is just kabuki, since they'll just be voted on along party lines, and therefore defeated.

Now Boehner tried another one. Kabuki it is!

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 10:14 PM
Now Boehner tried another one. Kabuki it is!

In looking around, it seems like the last chance that the GOP thinks it has is the Motion to Recommit. Description here (http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/recommit_mot.htm), politics of this particular one here (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88183-van-hollen-confident-on-motion-to-recommit), for example.

P.S. What channel are you watching? C-SPAN?

claymisher
03-21-2010, 10:15 PM
Interesting take from DougJ (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/21/the-party-of-fox/) on that article.

I would like not to agree with him, but I think, sadly, he's right for the near-term, at least: the GOP and/or the conservative movements are not going to disavow the wingnut media way anytime soon. That's going to take a long and sustained effort (divorce), and given that people have to run for office every two, four, or six years, I don't see the proceedings starting any time soon.

I suppose if some miracle happened and the GOP got trounced in the 2010 elections, that might be of some help, but I could also see even that just causing Rush, Beck, Fox, etc., to howl even louder about insufficient purity.

If it hadn't been for the conservative entertainment industry the blue state Republican senators could have had anything they wanted. Chuck Grassley could have written it and crayon and it would have passed. But no, they had to obstruct, and this is the result.

Ocean
03-21-2010, 10:20 PM
In looking around, it seems like the last chance that the GOP thinks it has is the Motion to Recommit. Description here (http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/recommit_mot.htm), politics of this particular one here (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88183-van-hollen-confident-on-motion-to-recommit), for example.

P.S. What channel are you watching? C-SPAN?

I'm watching CNN.live. (http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream/2&hpt=T1) Pelosi is on. It's ending.

Thanks.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 10:21 PM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

Thank the FSM Instaputz reads Glenn Reynolds (http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2010/03/narrative.html), so we don't have to.

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 10:21 PM
I'm watching CNN.video. (http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream/2&hpt=T1) Pelosi is on. It's ending.

Thanks.

y/w, and thank you!

listener
03-21-2010, 10:30 PM
In looking around, it seems like the last chance that the GOP thinks it has is the Motion to Recommit. Description here (http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/recommit_mot.htm), politics of this particular one here (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88183-van-hollen-confident-on-motion-to-recommit), for example.


Thanks for those links -- though after reading them I'm still not sure I completely understand how the Motion to Recommit works. But it sounds like the Repubs are still counting on the abortion strategy to split off enough Dems to kill the bill. As I remember, Stupak already had his colloquy today to clarify that Obama's executive order satisfies him and his bloc. So again, it sounds like unless the MTR contains only abortion language (not likely), it is not likely to get enough Dem votes to work.

listener
03-21-2010, 10:51 PM
Okay, here comes the motion to recommit

bjkeefe
03-21-2010, 11:56 PM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

Just like it is always the case that IOKIYAR, it is never the case that Democrats have legitimacy. Or so thinks the Chairman of the Republican Party (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/live/countdown-to-reform-wire/#325907):

Steele: 'The End Of Representative Government'
2 minutes ago

RNC Chair Michael Steele releases a statement: "Today, America witnessed the first vote for the end of representative government. ... The American people are sick of the blatant arrogance of President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and the Senate Majority Leader Reid. Congressional Democrats can be sure that voters in their districts will not forget this vote that will negatively affect Americans for generations to come. It is time to fire Nancy Pelosi and send a message to President Obama that it's time to stop their partisan liberal agenda of government takeovers and start working for Americans to create jobs and grow our economy."

What part of "majority of the representatives of the people" does the RNC chair not understand?

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 03:05 AM
Roy Edroso is up and at 'em, with "Rightbloggers Agree: Passage of Health Care Bill an Affront to Jesus (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/03/rightbloggers_a_3.php)."

listener
03-22-2010, 03:51 AM
Roy Edroso is up and at 'em, with "Rightbloggers Agree: Passage of Health Care Bill an Affront to Jesus (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/03/rightbloggers_a_3.php)."

Nice. Reminds me of Mary Matalin's discussion of religious credos with noted theologian Stephen Colbert (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/267675/march-18-2010/mary-matalin) a few days ago:

CS: First question, why are you wearing a cross? You know Jesus preached social justice -- makes you look like a commie.

MM: Yes, he did. He also preached 'teach 'em how to fish, don't give 'em fish,' right? You don't work, you don't eat.

CS: He said, "I will make you fishers of men." I don't believe Jesus said, "You don't work, you don't eat." I believe that was from Cool Hand Luke.

MM: That's my, that's my agenda...

CS: I believe he said, "Sell everything you have and give the money to the poor, and then you will find the kingdom of God, but you know, I believe in your paraphrasing."

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 03:57 AM
Nice. Reminds me of Mary Matalin's interview with noted theologian Stephen Colbert (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/267675/march-18-2010/mary-matalin) a few days ago:

CS: First question, why are you wearing a cross? You know Jesus preached social justice -- makes you look like a commie.

MM: Yes, he did. He also preached 'teach them how to fish,' not ' don't give 'em fish,' right? You don't work, you don't eat.

CS: He said, "I will make you fishers of men." I don't believe Jesus said, "You don't work, you don't eat." I believe that was from Cool Hand Luke.

MM: That's my, that's my...

CS: I believe he said, "Sell everything you have and give it to the poor, and then you will find the kingdom of God, but you know, I believe in your paraphrasing."

Yeah, that was pretty good. I couldn't believe the size of that cross when I watched that clip after you linked to it.

Of course, for the people she wore it for, this PERSECUTION by Colbert will just further confirm everything they believe about how much the BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA HATES CHRISTIANS.

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 04:40 AM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

For the record (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/assassinationthreatviab.png/):

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9148/assassinationthreatviab.png

This particular tweet (http://twitter.com/Solly_Forell/status/10817432770) appears to have been taken down, although the user's account is still active (http://twitter.com/Solly_Forell), as of this moment.

Thanks to DougJ (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/21/this-is-getting-scary/) for catching this yesterday.

Also, via Instaputz (http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2010/03/when-screaming-******-just-isnt-enough.html), Jezebel has some more info on this boil on the buttocks of humanity, Solomon "Solly" Forell (http://jezebel.com/5498461/conservative-blogger-calls-for-obamas-assassination-on-twitter).

TwinSwords
03-22-2010, 04:53 AM
...

I've been trying to figure out who the chick he's using for his wallpaper is. Anyone know? It kind of looks like the wife of Jefferson Davis:

http://clevelandcivilwarroundtable.com/images/people/davis/davis_jeff_varina.jpg

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 05:08 AM
I've been trying to figure out who the chick he's using for his wallpaper is. Anyone know? It kind of looks like the wife of Jefferson Davis:

http://clevelandcivilwarroundtable.com/images/people/davis/davis_jeff_varina.jpg

The filename of the background image (http://a3.twimg.com/profile_background_images/67198383/Elizabeth_Stover_Eisenhower_-_Copy.jpg) ...

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_background_images/67198383/Elizabeth_Stover_Eisenhower_-_Copy.jpg

... is Elizabeth_Stover_Eisenhower_-_Copy.jpg.

Looks like it was cropped from the image appearing, among other places, here (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08036/854713-51.stm) ...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200802/20080205ho_genealogy_chart_edited_1_500.jpg

... a newspaper article from early 2008 speculating about previous presidents having some black ancestors. (Ida Elizabeth Stover Eisenhower was Dwight's mom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Elizabeth_Stover).)

TwinSwords
03-22-2010, 05:13 AM
And for those readers who don't click through the links, let's also highlight this tweet from the same Republican:

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2010/03/340x_picture_3_02.jpg


If this was somehow unusual, it would hardly be worth noting. The problem is that this is a fairly normal sentiment in conservative circles. Granted, they're usually a little more careful, but fantasizing about killing Democrats, liberals, and our nation's elected leaders is a constant theme on the right -- whether on television, radio, or in print. Tune into C-Span and listen to the Republican callers. Or the callers on talk radio. Or listen to Glenn Beck. Or go to any conservative blog and read the comments on the posts about health care reform or other aspects of the Obama presidency. They really believe that their country has been taken away from them, and they are morally and even legally justified in murdering the people who took it.

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 05:17 AM
And for those readers who don't click through the links, let's also highlight this tweet from the same Republican:

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2010/03/340x_picture_3_02.jpg


If this was somehow unusual, it would hardly be worth noting. The problem is that this is a fairly normal sentiment in conservative circles. Granted, they're usually a little more careful, but fantasizing about killing Democrats, liberals, and our nation's elected leaders is a constant theme on the right -- whether on television, radio, or in print. Tune into C-Span and listen to the Repubublican callers. Or the callers on talk radio. Or listen to Glenn Beck. Or go to any conservative blog and read the comments on the post about health care reform or other aspects of the Obama presidency. They really believe that their country has been taken away from them, and they are morally and even legally justified in murdering the people who took it.

And don't forget about Rep. Michele Bachmann (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/23/bachmann-armed-and-dangerous/) (R-Minn), even before HCR heated up, in fact almost exactly one year ago:

I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us, having a revolution every now and then is a good thing ...

TwinSwords
03-22-2010, 05:42 AM
The filename of the background image (http://a3.twimg.com/profile_background_images/67198383/Elizabeth_Stover_Eisenhower_-_Copy.jpg) ...

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_background_images/67198383/Elizabeth_Stover_Eisenhower_-_Copy.jpg

Looks like it was cropped from the image appearing, among other places, here (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08036/854713-51.stm) ...

... a newspaper article from early 2008 speculating about previous presidents having some black ancestors. (Ida Elizabeth Stover Eisenhower was Dwight's mom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Elizabeth_Stover).)

How utterly fascinating. I wonder what appeal Mrs. Eisenhower has for a lunatic like this guy.

Good idea checking the image name.

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 05:47 AM
How utterly fascinating. I wonder what appeal Mrs. Eisenhower has for a lunatic like this guy.

I think a big thing for this guy (from elsewhere on his Twitter site, or maybe one of his blogs) -- and it's something I've seen before on other wingnut blogs -- is that YOU LIBRULS ARE STOOPID 4 THINKING THAT NOBAMA IS THE FRIST BLACK PREZNIT. LOL! HE'S NOT EVEN THAT BLACK, ALSO, TOO!!!1!

TwinSwords
03-22-2010, 05:49 AM
I think a big thing for this guy (from elsewhere on his Twitter site, or maybe one of his blogs) -- and it's something I've seen before on other wingnut blogs -- is that YOU LIBRULS ARE STOOPID 4 THINKING THAT NOBAMA IS THE FRIST BLACK PREZNIT. LOL! HE'S NOT EVEN THAT BLACK, ALSO, TOO!!!1!

LOL! Good God. Next time we have a human race we should make it with fewer crazy people.

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 06:00 AM
LOL! Good God. Next time we have a human race we should make it with fewer crazy people.

Heh. But for some of them, it may not be craziness. This is, after all, a textbook example from the Rovian way: try to turn your opponent's strong points into weaknesses. Just as with Obama being a speaker that could attract and fire up a crowd turned into "LOL CELEBRITY!!!1!," the joy many people had about breaking the POTUS color barrier was something some on the right also tried to flip around, to use as a weapon.

However, using that picture of Ike's mom as a background image on one's Twitter page does seem a little obsessive, doesn't it?

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 06:04 AM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

Remember how Bart Stupak was whining the other day about getting all those those nasty letters and phone calls, from liberals?

Oh boy is he in for a surprise at just how much worse (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/03/21/twittertwatters-are-seriously-unfriending-baby-eating-bart-stupak/) it can get.

Note the prominence of some of the names there: Jason Mattera, RaciSt McCain, John Hawkins. These are at least B-listers among the right-wing noise machine.

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 06:17 AM
... Teh Sadlys!

But first!

Brad (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/29458.html):

Deep thought

If my grandmother if still alive tomorrow morning I will feel betrayed.

D. A. (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/29442.html):

I Love The Smell Of HCR Passage In The Morning In America

… it smells like victory. Get those virginal throats ready, Real Americans! We have achieved ramming speed on health care reform! w00t! &cetera:

And now! A shorter (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/29437.html)! More shorters (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/29449.html)! Still yet more shorters (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/29460.html)!

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 07:44 AM
Boehner to Republicans: if HCR passes, "behave like grownups. (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88155-boehner-to-gop-lawmakers-behave-like-grown-ups)"

And another report (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/21/AR2010032103484.html) (via (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/22/drama-round-up/)) shows that, evidently, all bets were off before it passed. Samples:

The day's debate on the House floor was in its early moments when two men, one smelling strongly of alcohol, stood up in the public gallery and interrupted the debate with shouts of "Kill the bill!" and "The people said no!" As the Capitol Police led the demonstrators from the chamber, Republicans cheered -- for the hecklers.

As lawmakers debated their way to a vote on the legislation, dozens of GOP lawmakers walked from the chamber, crossed the Speaker's Lobby, stepped out onto the members-only House balcony -- and proceeded to incite an unruly crowd.

Thousands of conservative "tea party" activists had massed on the south side of the Capitol, pushing to within about 50 feet of the building. Some Democrats worried aloud about the risk of violence, and police tried to keep the crowd away from the building.

But rather than calm the demonstrators, Republican congressmen whipped the masses into a frenzy.

Inside the House chamber, Republicans placed on Democrats' chairs photos of the Democratic lawmakers who lost their jobs in 1994. Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) went to the well to say that "freedom dies." Rep. Ted Poe (R-Tex.), sitting in the front row in a way that displayed the Lone Star flag on his cowboy boots, said Democrats were on "the path of government tyranny." Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) warned of a "fiscal Frankenstein."

After hours of procedural delays forced by the minority, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) began the final stage of the debate with an appeal to rise above the insults. "We have seen angry people at the doorstep of the Capitol," he said.

The angry people were closer than Hoyer realized. Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) hollered on the floor about "dirty deal after dirty deal." Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) likened the Democrats to Soviets. "Say no to totalitarianism!" he said. Somebody in the Republican seats shouted "Baby killer" at Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), an antiabortion Democrat.

That would have been the end of it, had Republican lawmakers not stirred things up. First Reps. Buck McKeon (Calif.), Rob Bishop (Utah) and Mike Turner (Ohio) came out waving signs saying "KILL THE BILL." The crowd went wild. Reps. Mary Fallin (Okla.), Geoff Davis (Ky.) and Bill Posey (Fla.) held the "Don't Tread on Me" flag, and Rep. Pete Sessions (Tex.), head of the House Republicans' 2010 campaign committee, came out with half a dozen colleagues and more kill-the-bill signs. Rep. Jeff Miller (Fla.) dangled an American flag from the balcony.

And to close, from the Do As I Say Not As I Do Department:

By the time Minority Leader John Boehner took the floor at about 10 pm, the mood on the floor was barely distinguishable from the mood on the lawn outside. "Shame on each and every one of you," the Republican leader yelled at the Democrats, as the GOP lawmakers gave him a standing ovation. Boehner said the Democrats were a "disgrace" to Jeffersonian values.

"Hell, no, you can't!" Boehner shouted at the Democrats.

"No, you can't! No, you can't!" echoed the protesters outside.

bjkeefe
03-22-2010, 10:13 AM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all.

That's how Betty Cracker (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/but_but_but...scott_brown/) sees it, too.

It sucks to lose. But the sting is even greater when you lose after you think you’ve won—after you’ve spiked the ball, done a victory dance in the end zone and screamed “Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!” at the other team’s fans on your way to the locker room. Consequently, there is no joy in Wingnutville today. Here’s a schadenfreude sampler to kick off the workweek:

listener
03-22-2010, 11:09 AM
That's how Betty Cracker (http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/but_but_but...scott_brown/) sees it, too.

That was fun. I especially enjoyed the Nelson riposte at the end.

uncle ebeneezer
03-22-2010, 06:42 PM
Another great one from an Yglesias thread:

Anonymous Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Obama is an usurper. First he ran for President while NOT HAVING A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Then he lost the election, except for the SEIU and NAACP thugs who STUFFED THE BALLOT BOXES at the command of GEORGE SOROS and ACORN.

Now he’s done the most unprecedented move in world history and passed a bill by the TOTALITARIAN DEEM and PASS mechanism. Even Stalin and Hitler didn’t go this far in their quest for socialism.

REPEAL THE BILL

AemJeff
03-22-2010, 07:03 PM
Send Rush to Costa Rica! (http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0310/Dems_raise_money_for_Rushs_Costa_Rica_ticket.html)

kezboard
03-22-2010, 07:31 PM
It really is Armageddon, baby (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/steele-yes-health-care-reform-is-armageddon.php).

listener
03-22-2010, 08:21 PM
Another great one from an Yglesias thread:

Sounds reasonable to me. Where do I sign up?

TwinSwords
03-22-2010, 08:55 PM
It really is Armageddon, baby (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/steele-yes-health-care-reform-is-armageddon.php).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1N3cxhPVIxc/S6f50QzczdI/AAAAAAAACCI/SSIPJXnktCA/s400/Ad714236St1Sz170Sq1173576V1Id1.jpg

(Spotted at Drudge. Ad paid for by the Senate Conservatives Fund, which clearly wants to preserve our purity of essence.)

(Via (http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2010/03/well-meet-again-dont-know-where-dont.html))

TwinSwords
03-22-2010, 08:57 PM
AFA'S FISCHER: WE MAY HAVE TO SHOOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

Bryan Fischer, director of issues analysis at the American Family Association, last seen arguing for the explusion of all Muslims from the U.S. military, the recriminalization of homosexuality, and the stoning to death of a killer whale at Sea World, posted this at his AFA blog this morning, in response to the health care vote (emphasis added):

... The last remedy left -- other than bloodshed -- is the 10th Amendment, which reserves to the states any power not delegated to the federal government. The central government is exercising a power that it does not have, and can only exercise by usurping that power from the states.

State governments can legitimately and constitutionally decide not to cooperate with the central government on the legal ground that Congress has transgressed the boundaries marked out in our founding document. The central government is trespassing on the sovereign territory of the states, and the states have every right to throw them off their property.

Trespassers can be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Squatters can be evicted. If they won't leave, they can be tossed. And in the worst case scenario, if they won't surrender peacefully, they can be shot....

Charming.

Kyle at Right Wing Watch adds:

Do I need to point out that just last week, Fischer was featured on the Family Research Council's anti-health care reform webcast along with Rep. Tom Price, (R-GA), Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN)?

Also there, as noted at the link, was Senator David Vitter.

Expect a denunciation by these members of Congress of Fischer's endorsement of armed insurrection against the government (hey, but only as a last resort!) in 5, 4, 3, ... um, never.

(Via (http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2010/03/afas-fischer-we-may-have-to-shoot.html))

Ocean
03-22-2010, 10:35 PM
I just read this article (http://www.optimum.net/AP/ArticlePrinterFriendly?fmId=2904820) about Pelosi's role in HCR vote.

I found this quote particularly interesting as it describes the lack of logic behind the argument:

"She is a strong speaker, there isn't any question about that," Boehner said. But if Democrats lose their majority because of the legislation, "How smart is that?"

A majority is desirable so that legislation can be passed. If in order to keep the majority, the Dems need to forfeit legislation, it defeats the purpose. Not to mention that there is an implicit assumption, for which as far as we know there is no evidence, that passing this legislation would have a negative impact on elections.

How does this stuff pass the filter? No reporters asking the obvious questions?

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 02:14 AM
[...] How does this stuff pass the filter? No reporters asking the obvious questions?

The way Boehner's line -- "But if Democrats lose their majority because of the legislation, 'How smart is that?'" -- strikes me is as a plain admission that the Republicans care most about retaining power, and little about governing. Maybe this is so well understood by political reporters that they find it hard to remember to point it out to their audience.

A less charitable interpretation is that most political reporters tend often to succumb to laziness and write stories according to this forumula: sketch out event or "trend" or current topic of buzz, consult Rolodex, get quote from "one side," consult Rolodex, get contradicting quote from "other side," click Publish.

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 02:18 AM
Send Rush to Costa Rica! (http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0310/Dems_raise_money_for_Rushs_Costa_Rica_ticket.html)

As the old line from Robocop goes, "I'd buy THAT for a dollar!" But I dunno. Much as I am tempted to give the nice people at ATicketForRush.com (http://ATicketForRush.com/) a buck, I'd really want assurances from the Costa Ricans that he would not be permitted to use a microphone, due to being an illegal.

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 02:31 AM
Remember how Bart Stupak was whining the other day about getting all those those nasty letters and phone calls, from liberals?

Oh boy is he in for a surprise at just how much worse (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/03/21/twittertwatters-are-seriously-unfriending-baby-eating-bart-stupak/) it can get.

On a related note, just for the record, the guy who shouted "baby-killer (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/03/22/2010-03-22_house_members_protect_baby_killer_heckler_who_s lammed_rep_bart_stupak_over_abort.html)" at him when he was speaking on the House floor is Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas), "a self-proclaimed conservative, whose public service is guided 'by his steady Christian faith.'"

As is usual for people of his sort, he simultaneously apologized and said he didn't say what he said, but that it was a good thing to say, because, you know, abortion.

bjkeefe
03-23-2010, 03:45 AM
On a related note, just for the record, the guy who shouted "baby-killer (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/03/22/2010-03-22_house_members_protect_baby_killer_heckler_who_s lammed_rep_bart_stupak_over_abort.html)" at him when he was speaking on the House floor is Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas), "a self-proclaimed conservative, whose public service is guided 'by his steady Christian faith.'"

As is usual for people of his sort, he simultaneously apologized and said he didn't say what he said, but that it was a good thing to say, because, you know, abortion.

Some more on Neugebauer, from TPM (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/texas-rep-neugebauer-i-exclaimed-the-phrase-its-a-baby-killer.php) via JN/W (http://wonkette.com/414377/bart-stupak-heckler-finally-emerges-with-confession):

It should be noted that in addition to the "baby killer" outburst, Neugebauer is also a sponsor of the so-called "Birther Bill," introduced by Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL) ...

(Yeah, that (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2009/03/barker-posey.html) clown.)

Also:

Neugebauer's district (http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=profile-000000017362) is solidly Republican, having voted 72%-27% for John McCain in 2008, and 77%-22% for George W. Bush in 2004. Neugebauer was re-elected with 72% of the vote in 2008.

So, as JN says:

... according to our Great American System Of Incentivization, this act of embarrassing incivility last night will probably fill his campaign coffers for life. Why’d he wait so long to take credit?

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 01:21 AM
So, as JN says:
... according to our Great American System Of Incentivization, this act of embarrassing incivility last night will probably fill his campaign coffers for life. Why’d he wait so long to take credit?

Score One Correct Prediction (http://wonkette.com/414411/apologetic-baby-killer-shouter-has-already-released-fundraising-video) for JN.

And you really must spend one minute of your life to watch that ad, just to see his wife's eyes. It's like she can barely keep a straight face, or she plain couldn't, and so they pumped her up with serious drugs just to get through the shoot.

NEUGEBAUER/WILSON 2012.

listener
03-24-2010, 03:45 AM
Score One Correct Prediction (http://wonkette.com/414411/apologetic-baby-killer-shouter-has-already-released-fundraising-video) for JN.

And you really must spend one minute of your life to watch that ad, just to see his wife's eyes. It's like she can barely keep a straight face, or she plain couldn't, and so they pumped her up with serious drugs just to get through the shoot.
NEUGEBAUER/WILSON 2012.

That was indeed remarkable. Not only because of Mrs. Neugebauer's heroic facial gymnastics, but also due to the very fact of her superfluous but seemingly obligatory presence in the video (in the role of "The Good Wife"). My primary reaction to the ad was one of empathy for Mrs. N. and all political wives (whether Mrs. Vitter or Mrs. Spitzer) who find themselves playing the game of the supportive political wife, no matter how embarrassing the circumstances.

In addition, there was Mrs. Neugebauer's husband's delivery of his message. I know I'm prejudiced, but it seemed to me that a sense of conviction was lacking in his delivery -- I had the impression that he was merely doing his best to parrot the talking points his political advisors had fed him. God bless Texas. (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/224922/april-20-2009/tip-wag---texas-secession---maca)

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 05:20 AM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

Like this (http://www.alternet.org/images/managed/storyimages_picture116_1269311134.png):

http://www.alternet.org/images/managed/storyimages_picture116_1269311134.png

From Tana Ganeva (http://www.alternet.org/story/146137/the_10_most_outrageous_right-wing_freakouts_over_the_health_care_bill?page=enti re): "The 10 Most Outrageous Right-Wing Freakouts Over the Health Care Bill."

"Ten of the Most" would probably have been more accurate, but for sure, there is no shortage of full metal wingnut on display on that list.

(h/t: @barryeisler (http://twitter.com/barryeisler/status/10950918064), RT by @Johngcole (http://twitter.com/Johngcole))

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 05:38 AM
"Ten of the Most" would probably have been more accurate ...

... because here's #11 for sure (http://washingtonindependent.com/80165/scott-brown-help-me-defeat-rachel-maddow-who-might-run-against-me-according-to-twitter):

Scott Brown: Help Me Defeat Rachel Maddow, Who Might Run Against Me, According to Twitter

"Help Me," of course, means "give me your munniez, teabaggers."

listener
03-24-2010, 05:54 AM
... because here's #11 for sure (http://washingtonindependent.com/80165/scott-brown-help-me-defeat-rachel-maddow-who-might-run-against-me-according-to-twitter):

"Help Me," of course, means "give me your munniez, teabaggers."

Golly, there are so many worthy urgent Republican causes nowadays that I'm plumb running out of checks...

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 03:35 PM
Golly, there are so many worthy urgent Republican causes nowadays that I'm plumb running out of checks...

Better get a new supply, because how could this (http://twitter.com/ebertchicago/statuses/10963965035) (via (http://wonkette.com/414424/republicans-will-win-americas-hearts-by-taking-their-health-insurance-away)) not make you want to donate?

"Illinois GOP congressional candidate Mark Kirk will restore pre-existing conditions!" What a great campaign ad.

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 06:01 PM
When Angry Johnny threatened (http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/vengeance-will-be-mccains) "no cooperation for the rest of the year" from the GOP, evidently, he wasn't just blowing smoke. Their antics have now reached just one step away from hurling themselves on the floor, kicking their heels, and screaming, "I WON'T I WON'T I WON'T."

The latest stunt: invoking obscure rules to delay everything, including "a rare tactic during the opening of Senate business to cancel or postpone committee hearings."

==========
(Because it worked so well the last time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_1995# Result) the Republicans tried to shut down the government?)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Nydailynews_newt.jpg

Grownups in charge!
==========

Story here (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/the-new-obstruction----gop-tries-to-delay-hearings-and-extend-health-care-debate.php), follow-up here (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/mccaskill-rails-on-new-low-of-gop-obstruction-video.php).

(h/t: Jim Newell (http://wonkette.com/414426/senators-upset-about-not-having-to-work-afternoons))

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 07:17 PM
(Because it worked so well the last time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_1995# Result) the Republicans tried to shut down the government?)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Nydailynews_newt.jpg

Grownups in charge!

Oh, hey, speak of the deviled ham (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/24/deja-vu-all-over-again-4/)!

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) appeared on Sean Hannity’s TV show last night, and gave his prediction for what a Republican Congress elected in 2010 will do to fight President Obama on health care: Shut down the government (again).

AemJeff
03-24-2010, 09:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpOUctySD68

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 10:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpOUctySD68

LOL!

I smell more than a few campaign ads ...

bjkeefe
03-24-2010, 10:58 PM
Apparently, Washingston state's Republican Attorney General, Rob McKenna, can see Wasilla from his house (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/23/849866/-WA-Gov-Slams-AG-Over-HCR-Suit-%28UPDATE%29), because he's planning a ...

... singlehanded move to involve Washington State in the Republican move to use the court systems to stop or kill Health Care Reform.

His boss found out about this through the newspapers. This made her angry.

His boss is Gov. Christine Gregoire.

More details, and video of the governor speaking to reporters about it, at the link.

(h/t: John Cole (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/23/he-who-represents-himself-has-a-fool-for-a-client/) | title: sic (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2009/10/oh-hey-two-new-books.html))

bjkeefe
03-25-2010, 04:09 AM
Brian Beutler has looked at the "suggestions" the Republicans have for "improving" the reconciliation bill: "Viagra, ACORN and Gay Marriage: The 10 Most Ridiculous GOP-Proposed Health Care Amendments (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/the-10-most-ridiculous-gop-proposed-health-care-amendments.php)."

bjkeefe
03-25-2010, 10:13 PM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

Let's see how the right is taking Scott Brown (http://wonkette.com/414435/scott-browns-nightmare-sexy-senator-scared-of-rachel-maddow-abandoned-by-wingnuts)!

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/scott_brown_herald.jpg

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 07:40 AM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

One answer:

The Affordable Care Act imperils our national security!!!1!

At least, according to Wallingnut Street Journal opinionator Max Boot (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/europe-health-care-and-power.php).

==========

(BTW: If you want to read all of das Boot, just Google, say, ObamaCare and American Power (http://www.google.com/search?q=ObamaCare+and+American+Power) and look for the WSJ link there -- clicking that will get you past their paywall. It may not be of interest to you for this article -- it failed to hold my attention -- but this is general for a lot of stuff that the WSJ and some other news sites restrict access to. I don't know why Matt Yglesias doesn't know this trick. Still too young, hmmm?

Or MAYBE ... he just wanted to keep this secret to himself and other members of Journolist??? Where is Mickey Kaus when we need him?

kezboard
03-27-2010, 11:30 AM
If spending more on health care means we don't have to cover for Europe anymore, why haven't we been doing this since the end of the Cold War?

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 03:27 PM
If spending more on health care means we don't have to cover for Europe anymore, why haven't we been doing this since the end of the Cold War?

You wanna know why? Shorter Max Boot (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/29657.html) will tell you why!

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 04:14 PM
Over at Gin and Tacos, Ed wraps up "The Week In Pant-Shitting (http://www.ginandtacos.com/2010/03/24/the-week-in-pant-shitting/)."

Everyone gets a trophy!

bjkeefe
03-27-2010, 07:00 PM
Long-time officially ex-communicated NotARealConservative™ Daniel Larison has had it (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/03/24/egads-a-postponed-foreign-trip/) with the Republicans and their paid mouthpieces (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/03/24/obamas-increasingly-ridiculous-foreign-policy-critics-ii/) at the conservative "think" tanks.

Did you know Obama's rescheduling a trip overseas, to finish HCR, "suggests a failure to understand the American role in the world?" Some dude at the Heritage Foundation says it, so it must be so! And, did you know that Obama has "the traditional academic leftist disdain for the Jewish state," which means "Israel’s multiple enemies now are almost giddy," according to traditional academic Victor Davis Hanson?

Apparently Larison is just finding this out, too.

(h/t: mistermix (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/25/opposite-day/))

listener
03-27-2010, 07:36 PM
Long-time officially ex-communicated NotARealConservative™ Daniel Larison has had it (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/03/24/egads-a-postponed-foreign-trip/) with the Republicans and their paid mouthpieces (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/03/24/obamas-increasingly-ridiculous-foreign-policy-critics-ii/) at the conservative "think" tanks.

Did you know Obama's rescheduling a trip overseas, to finish HCR, "suggests a failure to understand the American role in the world?" Some dude at the Heritage Foundation says it, so it must be so! And, did you know that Obama has "the traditional academic leftist disdain for the Jewish state," which means "Israel’s multiple enemies now are almost giddy," according to traditional academic Victor Davis Hanson?

Apparently Larison is just finding this out, too.

Cheng, Hanson, et al.: Can you say "bloviate?" I knew you could!
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/mister-rogers.jpg

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 08:11 AM
I guess Scott Brown didn't save the day after all. Let's see how the right is taking it ...

The left loves him. The right not so much. Actually, not at all. According to a Quinnipiac University poll (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1437) released last week, Obama’s job approval rating among Republicans was a measly 9 percent. On health care, his approval rating was an even-more-measly 7 percent.

Why? The Apostles of Anger in their echo chamber of fallacies have branded him the enemy. This has now become an article of faith. Obama isn’t just the enemy of small government and national solvency. He’s the enemy of liberty.

This underscores the current fight for the soul of this country. It’s not just a tug of war between left and right. It’s a struggle between the mind and the heart, between evidence and emotions, between reason and anger, between what we know and what we believe.

[...]

According to another Quinnipiac poll (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1436) released last week, Republicans were far more likely than Democrats to say that they follow public affairs most of the time. But how? They listen to people like Limbaugh, and they’re more likely than others to watch Fox News.

But invectives are not information. For example, a poll released on Wednesday (http://people-press.org/report/601/healthcare) by the Pew Research Center found that most Republicans say that they still don’t understand how the new health care reform will affect them and their family.

They don’t know what it means, but they believe it’s bad. Rush & Co. said so. In the vacuum of confusion and misinformation, they strum their fears and feed their anxiety. And, by worrying, their faith is made perfect.

-- Charles Blow (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/opinion/03blow.html)

bjkeefe
04-03-2010, 10:37 AM
This underscores the current fight for the soul of this country. It’s not just a tug of war between left and right. It’s a struggle between the mind and the heart, between evidence and emotions, between reason and anger, between what we know and what we believe.-- Charles Blow (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/opinion/03blow.html)

On a related note, see "The New Thing Is To Care Passionately, And Be Right Wing (http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2010/04/new-thing-is-to-care-passionately-and.html)."

And speaking of the topic of that post, never forget 2005 (http://www.newshounds.us/2008/03/18/jason_im_fighting_the_culture_war_here_so_i_dont_h ave_to_fight_the_terrorists_there_mattera_plays_so ldier_on_fox_news.php).

bjkeefe
04-09-2010, 10:31 AM
Bart Stupak will not seek reelection. Teabaggers claim victory. Dave Weigel (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/04/can_the_tea_parties_claim_vict.html) has the details.