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Lyle
12-26-2009, 07:52 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/26/plane-bomb-plot-detroit

A British student from Nigeria who claimed to be an agent for al-Qaida tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines plane yesterday as it was preparing to land in Detroit.

He was overpowered by passengers and crew members who smelled smoke and heard what sounded like firecrackers, federal officials said.

Police identified the suspect as Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, 23. It is understood he is an engineering student at University College London.

One official said the man claimed to have been instructed by al-Qaida to detonate the plane over US soil.

Flight 253 with 278 passengers and 11 crew members aboard was about 20 minutes from landing at the airport when passengers heard popping noises, witnesses said.

Merry Christmas?

graz
12-26-2009, 08:53 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/26/plane-bomb-plot-detroit



Merry Christmas?

O.K. Merry Christmas, in spite of it all.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=31769

There are no zero risk situations in life for the Pope, and there are none for you, either. I hope our elected leaders keep that in mind.

Lyle
12-26-2009, 09:00 AM
Yes, blowing up planes is just a part of life. It's like a car accident, we should all just expect it to happen to us one day. :)

Lyle
12-26-2009, 10:07 AM
http://images.chron.com/photos/2001/09/11/19740352/600xPopupGallery.jpg

Yes, there are no zero risk situations in life.

Lyle
12-27-2009, 02:41 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/wealthy-quiet-unassuming-the-christmas-day-bomb-suspect-1851090.html

With his wealth, privilege and education at one of Britain's leading universities, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab had the world at his feet – able to choose from a range of futures in which to make his mark on the world.

Instead, the son of one of Nigeria's most important figures opted to make his impact in a very different way – by detonating 80g of explosives sewn into his underpants, and trying to destroy a passenger jet as it came in to land at Detroit Airport on Christmas Day.

claymisher
12-27-2009, 05:27 PM
Jesus fucking Christ, what's your goddamned point? Just fucking kill all the muslims already? What a fucking troll.

kezboard
12-27-2009, 06:50 PM
Far be it from me to dictate anyone's feelings, but if your reaction to this incident is "Look, something that confirms my ideology and prejudices and gives me another chance to troll on the bhtv forums!" and not "Wow, I'm glad nobody on the plane was hurt", you're a jackass.

Lyle
12-27-2009, 09:36 PM
Kill all Muslims? What?

Do you have a problem talking about what almost happened on Christmas though? You don't like to talk about Muslims claymisher? Can you even say... Muslim?

Haha.

Lyle
12-27-2009, 09:38 PM
What are you talking about? A Muslim tried to blow up a commercial airliner on Christmas. What exactly do you not understand about this?

What does this have to do with some kind of prejudice or ideology?

I'm not anti-Muslim. I'm all for Muslims building minarets and practicing their faith. This has got to do with Muslim acts like this though:

http://images.chron.com/photos/2001/09/11/19740352/600xPopupGallery.jpg

... and I don't really care that you have a problem talking about these acts.

Lyle
12-27-2009, 10:41 PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_says_at_l.html

A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

Kurt Haskell of Newport, Mich., who posted an earlier comment about his experience, talked exclusively with MLive.com and confirmed he was on the flight by sending a picture of his boarding pass. He and his wife, Lori, were returning from a safari in Uganda when they boarded the NWA flight on Friday.

Haskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man.

Lyle
12-27-2009, 10:53 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2785733/Cops-fear-25-British-born-Muslims-are-plotting-to-bomb-Western-airliners.html

COPS fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb Western airliners.

The fanatics, in five groups, are now training at secret terror camps in Yemen.

It was there London-educated Umar Abdulmutallab, 23, prepared for his Christmas Day bid to blow up a US jet.

The British extremists in Yemen are in their early 20s and from Bradford, Luton and Leytonstone, East London.

They are due to return to the UK early in 2010 and will then await internet instructions from al-Qaeda on when to strike.

A Scotland Yard source said: "The great fear is Abdulmutallab is the first of many ready to attack planes and kill tens of thousands.

Lyle
12-27-2009, 11:02 PM
Janet Napolitano, our Homeland Security director, says otherwise though.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091227/ap_on_go_ot/us_airliner_attack_plot

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says there is no indication that the man who attempted to destroy an airliner in Detroit on Christmas Day is part of a larger terrorist plot.

Napolitano refused to say whether Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab has a connection to al-Qaida, citing the ongoing criminal investigation.

JonIrenicus
12-27-2009, 11:07 PM
Good article on some of his background.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6969075.ece




I'd have to imagine many of you getting sick of seeing such events take place, not only because of their horrible nature, but because it adds more fuel to the fire regarding radical islam and its effects.



What makes people radicalized? What is the draw? He was not impoverished, in fact he was from a very well off family and seemed fairly bright.

character/ethics of a jackal, but that is neither here nor there to most liberals, they care about how he got that way, not his own failings.

Fine.

How did this one get that way? I am actually interested in this question, honest. If it turns out we can take a more "liberal" approach I am all ears. What do you propose to lessen the incidence of such things, retard the radicalization of peoples around the world?

Go.

nikkibong
12-28-2009, 12:23 AM
Yes, there are no zero risk situations in life.

Fuck you, Lyle.

You pretend to have "sympathy" for the victims here, yet you use a gruesome image like that to promote your propagandistic point?

Pathetic.

Lyle
12-28-2009, 12:27 AM
My "propagandist" point? What's my point nikkibong?

What, do you want me to apologize for despising Muslim terrorists? Do you want me to apologize for not wanting this to happen again?

http://images.chron.com/photos/2001/09/11/19740352/600xPopupGallery.jpg

I'm not apologizing, I'm not shutting up, and I'm going to rub all your faces in the facts as long as it takes.

... and you call yourself a journalist. :)

nikkibong
12-28-2009, 12:28 AM
My "propagandist" point? What's my point nikkibong?

What, do you want me to apologize for despising Muslim terrorists? Do you want me to apologize for not wanting this to happen again?

At the risk of repeating myself: fuck you. I hate Muslim terrorists as much as you.

Further, I don't know what *your* point is, but my point is this: using that image is an ASSHOLE move.

Please remove it.

Lyle
12-28-2009, 12:32 AM
How objective. I'm an asshole. Posting a photograph from 9/11 that was published just a couple of days ago in the Houston Chronicle makes one an asshole. Is the Houston Chronicle an asshole too, "journalist"? Are they?

... and is the History Channel an asshole? They showed the video of this just last week to a nationwide audience. Oh, the horror!!!!

Remove it... hell no! It's one of the images of the decade!

http://images.chron.com/photos/2001/09/11/19740352/600xPopupGallery.jpg

Lyle
12-28-2009, 01:21 AM
What?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1209/Napolitano_The_system_worked.html?showall

Lyle
12-28-2009, 04:43 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2239935/

He wrote Muslim. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Lyle
12-28-2009, 06:10 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northwest-flight-253-al-qaeda-leaders-terror-plot/story?id=9434065

Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison in November, 2007, according to American officials and Department of Defense documents. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the Northwest bombing in a Monday statement that vowed more attacks on Americans.

American officials agreed to send the two terrorists from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia where they entered into an "art therapy rehabilitation program" and were set free, according to U.S. and Saudi officials.

Guantanamo prisoner #333, Muhamad Attik al-Harbi, and prisoner #372, Said Ali Shari, were sent to Saudi Arabia on Nov. 9, 2007, according to the Defense Department log of detainees who were released from American custody. Al-Harbi has since changed his name to Muhamad al-Awfi.

Classic.

Lyle
12-30-2009, 09:19 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/world/europe/30nigerian.html?pagewanted=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

But a snapshot of Mr. Abdulmutallab’s formative years in London, from 2005 to 2008, reveals a central difficulty in preventing future terrorist attacks: Friends, relatives, a teacher and fellow Muslim students say they cannot point to a trigger moment in recent years in which an amiable and privileged young man, devout if also disaffected, aspired to mass murder. Their best guess — one shared by investigators — is that the road to radicalization ran less through Yemen, where he studied Arabic as a teenager and apparently later prepared for a suicide mission, than through the Islamic hothouse of London.

“It’s pointless trying to pin the blame for this on those in far-off lands,” a Muslim from California who studied Arabic in Yemen with Mr. Abdulmutallab said in a telephone interview in which he insisted on anonymity because he did not want to draw attention to his family, which migrated from Pakistan to Orange County when he was a boy.

“What we have to do is to try and understand what is going on in our own backyards,” he said. “We have to ask ourselves why a young man like Umar Farouk would do this, what the factors were in London that drove him to violence.”

Investigators are now, in fact, turning a sharper and retrospective eye to the passage in Mr. Abdulmutallab’s life that began immediately after his summer in Sana, Yemen, in 2005, when he enrolled as a $25,000-a-year mechanical engineering student at University College London. In recent days, officials in Washington and London have said they are focusing on the possibility that his London years, including his possible contacts with radical Muslim groups in Britain, were decisive in turning him toward Islamic extremism.

kezboard
12-30-2009, 10:10 PM
“What we have to do is to try and understand what is going on in our own backyards,” he said. “We have to ask ourselves why a young man like Umar Farouk would do this, what the factors were in London that drove him to violence.”

Uh-oh, he's not talking about root causes, is he?
Anyway, sounds like a good idea.

Lyle
12-31-2009, 12:36 AM
Yeah, the root causes in the Muslim community ("our backyard") in London... or Houston (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6791337.html). :)

nikkibong
01-04-2010, 01:07 PM
Lyle - to counter your cowardice:

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/7886/

Lyle
01-04-2010, 09:05 PM
Haha... my cowardice. nikkibong, you haven't even responded to my response to your PM. are you afraid? don't be afraid. I like you. Appreciate the honesty man, appreciate the honesty.

... and I don't disagree with Mr. O'Neill. He has no problem throwing the word Islamic around. Didn't even call him Nigerian. Yay!

You thought I would disagree with this nikkibong?

O'Neill's point is a valid point. We can't baby proof society to no end.

The truth is it's a balancing act. People aren't going to just sit back and tolerate the likes of 9/11 or commercial airliners being blown out of the sky. If it happened more frequently, perhaps like with gun violence, we'd put up with it, but nobody expects to be blown up going to work in the morning or while flying for work. There must be some measures and it behooves government to re-evaluate it's security situation after such horrific events. Arguably there would be a more successful attempts if there was no security at all.