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Jyminee
11-30-2009, 01:35 AM
If this story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/29/multiple-police-officers-_n_373119.html) pans out, is Mike Huckabee's national political career over? I'm 100% sure a Democrat in the same situation would be unable to be elected dog-catcher, but being a conservative seems to insulate him somewhat.

Baltimoron
11-30-2009, 01:42 AM
I would say so, but this is Huffpo. It looks like Huffpo s pissing in the conservative's azaleas. I want to see the conservative blogs spin this before I place bets.

claymisher
11-30-2009, 02:23 AM
If this story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/29/multiple-police-officers-_n_373119.html) pans out, is Mike Huckabee's national political career over? I'm 100% sure a Democrat in the same situation would be unable to be elected dog-catcher, but being a conservative seems to insulate him somewhat.

No. Republicans are never accountable for anything ever. I'm sure this is really good news for Huckabee. It must be Dukakis's fault somehow.

JoeK
11-30-2009, 02:42 AM
I would say so, but this is Huffpo. It looks like Huffpo s pissing in the conservative's azaleas. I want to see the conservative blogs spin this before I place bets.

Anybody who knows anything about the state of conservative movement knows that movement conservatives don't like Huckabee. He is seen as a compassionate conservative, like George W Bush was, and as such in a serious ideological disagreement with the small-government conservatism which has been all the rage lately. You can see for yourself what Michelle Malkin wrote on her blog: This disaster is just one of Huckabee’s ill-considered clemency legacies (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/29/violent-felon-granted-clemency-by-huckabee-now-sought-in-lakewood-wa-police-ambush).

Baltimoron
11-30-2009, 02:46 AM
It's so early, and the GOP base is so minute, any candidate with Huck's chops can rebrand and sidestep this one. For Huck, Malkin's screeching is almost an endorsement.

JoeK
11-30-2009, 03:03 AM
It's so early, and the GOP base is so minute, any candidate with Huck's chops can rebrand and sidestep this one. For Huck, Malkin's screeching is almost an endorsement.

Isn't that sexist, to say that when a woman speaks she screeches? Or is that something that a liberal can get away with? Not that I care.
My point is that conservative bloggers will not spin the story to defend Huckabee. Just the opposite. They will try to use it to strangle his candidacy in its cradle.

Baltimoron
11-30-2009, 03:09 AM
Isn't that sexist, to say that when a woman speaks she screeches? Or is that something that a liberal can get away with? Not that I care.

One day you just might be sensitive! Malkin has crafted and perfected her own perfect repulsiveness.

Hasn't this come up before. The story smells like an old shoe.

Whatfur
11-30-2009, 09:31 AM
One day you just might be sensitive! Malkin has crafted and perfected her own perfect repulsiveness.

Hasn't this come up before. The story smells like an old shoe.

The story is new, the clemancies were brought up during the presidential primary...and you are often perfect yourself.

handle
11-30-2009, 01:27 PM
The story is new, the clemancies were brought up during the presidential primary...and you are often perfect yourself.

And a quick morph from the Black Knight into Officer Barbrady:

Nothing to see here folks...

TwinSwords
11-30-2009, 01:50 PM
Hasn't this come up before. The story smells like an old shoe.

Yes. I would assume you're remembering the case of Wayne DuMond, a serial rapist and a murderer, who, for a time during the Clinton years, became something of a celebrity martyr among the Republican Party base.

As deranged as the Republican base appears today, it's easy to forget that they were almost as crazy when Clinton was president, and at one time DuMond was a central figure in one of their innumerable conspiracy theories. The basic idea was that Bill Clinton had committed a rape and framed Wayne DuMond to take the fall for it. These lunatic theories were so widespread within the ranks of the Republican Party that considerable pressure was brought to bear on then then Governor Huckabee, urging him to parole DuMond and release him from prison. We'll never know how significantly this pressure factored in Huckabee's decision to free DuMond.

Many Republicans fervently believed that if Special Prosecutor Ken Starr succeeded in securing a DNA analysis of the semen stain on Monica Lewinsky's blue dress, the evidence would exonerate DuMond and reveal Clinton to be the actual rapist.

It's hard to believe the Republican base is even crazier now than it was back then.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Dumond):

After Clinton was elected president, a right-wing campaign alleged that Clinton had framed DuMond for rape. Prominent among those pushing for DuMond to be pardoned were Guy Reel, author of Unequal Justice: Wayne DuMond, Bill Clinton, and the Politics of Rape in Arkansas; Steve Dunleavy of the New York Post; and Jay Cole, Baptist pastor for the Mission Fellowship Bible Church in Fayetteville, who had championed DuMond's cause for more than a decade on his radio show.

Wonderment
11-30-2009, 06:20 PM
There a lot of reasons for not making political hay over this story:

1) It's a terrible tragedy for the victims, families and community, and they deserve some respect. This is not a story about an ambitious politician who may have been caught in a regrettable decision; it's a story of the murder of four innocent people in a coffee shop.

2) Clemency and parole programs should not be revisited over sensationalistic cases. It's more prudent to look at the numbers and make better assessments over who is likely or unlikely to re-offend. I am tempted to say a sudden conversion to Christianity is a very poor reason to parole or pardon someone, but I hesitate to second-guess Gov. Huckabee because most governors never have the slightest interest in prisoner rehabilitation or mercy, and Huckabee deserves credit for at least considering forgiveness, reconciliation and rehabilitation.

3) I also am tempted to say something about gun control and the stupidity of the laws promoting gun-toting among ordinary citizens. If even 4 armed and trained police officers are helpless to prevent their assassination by a lone loon with a gun, how much worse off is your average Joe or Jane with her piece? But again, politicizing one case will not lead to good laws.

4) As always, citizens will lament the general level of murderous rage in our society, but the last thing they'll want to do is fund programs that are actually proven to reduce violence (early intervention, after-school programs, psychological services in underserved communities, mentoring for troubled teens who may turn into serial felon adults, etc., etc., etc. )

bjkeefe
11-30-2009, 07:15 PM
... I'm 100% sure a Democrat in the same situation would be unable to be elected dog-catcher, but being a conservative seems to insulate him somewhat.

Indeed. Timothy Egan (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/mike-huckabees-burden/) has more along these lines; e.g.:

If Huckabee were a liberal and a Democrat, he would be a punching bag for right wing blowhards an example of clueless, soft-on-crime politicians at their worst. Fox News would be stalking him, as they have others responsible for letting criminals out early.

Instead, he’s been allowed to get away with issuing a passive, blame-shifting statement (http://www.huckpac.com/?Fuseaction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=2907). In the release, issued Sunday night, Huckabee takes no personal responsibility for letting Clemmons out early. Instead, he cites “a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington.”

It'll be interesting to see how Fox, etc., play it from here on out.

Jyminee
11-30-2009, 08:09 PM
This Politico piece (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/30014.html) says prominent conservative bloggers aren't cutting Huckabee any slack on this. I guess most of these bloggers have hated Huckabee for his economic populism all along. But the fact that McCain and Huckabee placed first and second in the 2008 primaries argues that the conservative blogosphere is pretty impotent. So the real question is whether this story is just so awful that it turns the substantial evangelical support Huck already has against him.

claymisher
11-30-2009, 08:21 PM
This Politico piece (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/30014.html) says prominent conservative bloggers aren't cutting Huckabee any slack on this. I guess most of these bloggers have hated Huckabee for his economic populism all along. But the fact that McCain and Huckabee placed first and second in the 2008 primaries argues that the conservative blogosphere is pretty impotent. So the real question is whether this story is just so awful that it turns the substantial evangelical support Huck already has against him.

I think Huckabee's timing was about as good as it good be in 2008. I suspect he doesn't wear very well. In a long campaign he'd seem even phonier than Romney.

Lyle
11-30-2009, 08:26 PM
It's also a story about cop hate.

rcocean
11-30-2009, 08:49 PM
My point is that conservative bloggers will not spin the story to defend Huckabee. Just the opposite. They will try to use it to strangle his candidacy in its cradle.

R.S. McCain (http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2009/11/huckabee-answers-wrong-question.html)

Baltimoron
11-30-2009, 11:01 PM
Huckabee has a chance because GOP primaries are winner-take-all. If the candidate field is broad and he gets momentum, Huckabee could still go into a convention with enough votes to win.

rcocean
12-01-2009, 09:00 PM
The Huckster defends the pardons (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/01/AR2009120102601.html)