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Whatfur
11-24-2009, 10:29 AM
Wish it were only in the land of Franken... (http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2009/11/23/the-cultural-revolution-comes-to-u-minn-twin-cities/)

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 12:00 PM
Wish it were only in the land of Franken... (http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2009/11/23/the-cultural-revolution-comes-to-u-minn-twin-cities/)

Sounds like someone is allowing her imagination to run away with herself.

It may be useful for those who aren't determined only to nurse their grievances with Teh Leftists!!!1! to look at the report itself (http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:RQy31Cw1qSAJ:blog.lib.umn.edu/cehd/teri/Race,%2520Class,%2520Culture,%2520and%2520Gender.d oc+%22Race,+Culture,+Class+and+Gender+Task+Group%2 2&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a).

Here's one example of how Katherine Kersten has distorted (http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/70662162.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:Ug8P:Pc:UiD3aPc:_Yyc :aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr) what the report says. Her words:

The report advocates making race, class and gender politics the "overarching framework" for all teaching courses at the U.

The relevant passage from the report itself:

6. Nonetheless, let there be no doubt that we consider cultural competence to be an indispensable characteristic of all beginning teachers and, hence, an obligatory goal of teacher education. In fact, we believe that the following outcomes that we present should serve as an overarching framework from which beginning teachers frame the rest of teacher education courses and practice.

Another example: Kersten says:

In a report compiled last summer, the Race, Culture, Class and Gender Task Group at the U's College of Education and Human Development recommended that aspiring teachers there must repudiate the notion of "the American Dream" in order to obtain the recommendation for licensure required by the Minnesota Board of Teaching.

In the actual report, the word repudiate does not appear. The phrase the American Dream appears twice, in one section, as follows:

The story of the United States is often told in terms of the American Dream. Historian James Truslow Adams is thought to have coined the phrase “American Dream” in 1931, in his book, The Epic of America. Adams wrote that the American Dream is:

“That dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability and achievement. . . . It is not a dream of motor cars and high wages merely, but a dream of social order in which each man and each woman shall be able to attain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable, and be recognized by others for what they are, regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of birth or position.”

Future teachers will understand that despite an ideal about what is considered common culture in the United States, that many groups are typically not included within this celebrated cultural identity and more often than not, many students with multi-generational histories in the United States are routinely perceived to be new immigrants or foreign. That such exclusion is frequently a result of dissimilarities in power and influence.

In other words, my impression is that the idea of the Group is to find improved ways of teaching and training teachers such that all students will be able to better pursue the American Dream.

[Added] Here is some background on Kersten: part 1 (http://www.minnpost.com/michaelbonafield/2009/11/19/13567/katherine_kersten_on_liberals_same-sex_marriage_and_life_at_the_star_tribune), part 2 (http://www.minnpost.com/michaelbonafield/2009/11/20/13624/katherine_kersten_on_conservatism_and_religion).

[Added2] See also, for example, derickson (http://twincitiesminnesotablog.com/2005/09/katherine-kersten-minnesotas-worst-writer/401), Dave Weigel (http://minnesotaindependent.com/45965/smearing-sen-franken) and Media Matters (http://mediamatters.org/research/200909290013), and PZ Myers (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/06/katherine_kersten_minnesotas_l.php).

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 12:06 PM
Sounds like someone is allowing her imagination to run away with herself...


I implore people to read it for themselves...Branflake's take is skewed by lying in the milk a little too long.

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 12:13 PM
This is revealing:

I implore people to read it for themselves...Branflake's take is skewed by lying in the milk a little too long.

By contrast, I implore people to read both, as well as the additional links I added to my earlier post (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139975#post139975).

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 12:24 PM
This is revealing:



By contrast, I implore people to read both, as well as the additional links I added to my earlier post (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139975#post139975).

Contrary to what the documented liar, Brendan Keefe, tries to portray, I am was asking you all to read for yourself and make up your own mind.

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 12:35 PM
Contrary to what the documented liar, Brendan Keefe, tries to portray, I am was asking you all to read for yourself and make up your own mind.

You were asking people to read "it" -- Kersten's op-ed -- not "them" -- the op-ed and the report which drove this wingnut's hysterical and inaccurate screed. There is no back-pedaling out of that.

As for your supposedly having "documented" me as a "liar," I can only laugh, and I'm quite sure that most other people are doing that, too. (The ones who aren't just rolling their eyes, I mean.)

AemJeff
11-24-2009, 12:37 PM
Contrary to what the documented liar, Brendan Keefe, tries to portray, I am was asking you all to read for yourself and make up your own mind.

When you say read this, and he says yeah, read that, but read these as well; how do you think calling him a liar and implying that you're promoting open-mindedness helps your case?

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 12:55 PM
When you say read this, and he says yeah, read that, but read these as well; how do you think calling him a liar and implying that you're promoting open-mindedness helps your case?

His initial response was fine, and I just didn't want his chosen excerpts to be what was dwelt on, so I simply suggested people opt to read the whole thing. I realize it was not necessary to point out that Branflake's position was skewed...it also being well documented. He titled his next post "fur would like you only to hear one side" and because fur knew that to be a lie, fur he was able to label the perpetrator as such.

And sorry...you don't know JACK about having an open mind.

AemJeff
11-24-2009, 01:03 PM
...

And sorry...you don't know JACK about having an open mind.

You might be right about that. Care to share any tips or pointers?

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 01:03 PM
His initial response was fine, and I just didn't want his chosen excerpts to be what was dwelt on, so I simply suggested people opt to read the whole thing. I realize it was not necessary to point out that Branflake's position was skewed...it also being well documented. He titled his next post "fur would like you only to hear one side" and because fur knew that to be a lie, fur he was able to label the perpetrator as such.

And sorry...you don't know JACK about having an open mind.

If you'll take another look at my initial response (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139975#post139975), you'll see that I first recommended people read the report itself, and then followed that up with a link to the op-ed itself.

I gave a couple of examples as a way of motivating people to think that there might be something to my having urged them to take a look for themselves, rather than just accepting at face value your hysterical thread title and the blog post to which you linked.

Funny how you keep saying you want people to "read the whole thing," when there is more than one thing to read here. It's hard to escape the thought that what you'd really like is for others to read only the op-ed and to swallow it whole, as you apparently have.

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:09 PM
If you'll take another look at my initial response (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139975#post139975), you'll see that I first recommended people read the report itself, and then followed that up with a link to the op-ed itself.
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Exactly, and I seconded that bit.

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 01:09 PM
Only those that leave marks.

Ah, once again, the impotent longings of physical violence.

In other words, 'fur concedes (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29885.html) the futility of everything else he has been trying to push on this topic.

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 01:10 PM
Exactly, and I seconded that bit.

If you say so.

I think you would do well to review the difference between singular and collective pronouns, however.

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:11 PM
Ah, once again, the impotent longings of physical violence.

In other words, 'fur concedes (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29885.html) the futility of everything else he has been trying to push on this topic.

And God willing I will see you there...bring your friends.

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 01:12 PM
And God willing I will see you there...bring your friends.

Shorter 'fur: fap, fap, fap.

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:15 PM
Shorter 'fur: fap, fap, fap.

And Branflake has found his "last refuge".

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:25 PM
...another take on the obvious (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/23/university-of-minnesota-demanding-political-allegiance-for-educators/)

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 01:29 PM
And Branflake has found his "last refuge".

When you're down muttering your fantasies about resolving your frustrations through violence, there really isn't anything left to do but to observe that they are likely typed one-handed.

Sorry the truth hurts you so much.

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:30 PM
When you're down muttering your fantasies about resolving your frustrations through violence, there really isn't anything left to do but to observe that they are likely typed one-handed.

Sorry the truth hurts you so much.

You should come out of your refuge before you start throwing stones, Branflake.

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 01:38 PM
You should come out of your refuge before you start throwing stones, Branflake.

Remember the last (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=131650#post131650) time (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=131662#post131662) I called you out on this?

Look, 'fur, you keep fantasizing about kicking my ass and throwing out these empty challenges, yet you hide behind a pseudonym and, further, you piss your pants at the thought that I once Googled it.

But please, keep digging. It's always helpful to add to the record for the benefit of new visitors to this site.

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:45 PM
Remember the last (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=131650#post131650) time (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=131662#post131662) I called you out on this?

Look, 'fur, you keep fantasizing about kicking my ass and throwing out these empty challenges, yet you hide behind a pseudonym and, further, you piss your pants at the thought that I once Googled it.

But please, keep digging. It's always helpful to add to the record for the benefit of new visitors to this site.

Ok, mind if I borrow your shovel?

bjkeefe
11-24-2009, 01:48 PM
Ok, mind if I borrow your shovel?

Doesn't look like you need it. Unless you're saying you realize you've broken yours with your past few posts.

kezboard
11-24-2009, 04:35 PM
...UM wants to indoctrinate teachers into becoming community organizers. After all, what else are we to conclude when the university states that the biggest priorities in elementary education aren’t illiteracy and scientific ignorance but “heteronormativity,” “hegemonic masculinity,” and “internalized oppression”? That last example is high irony indeed. Want to see “internalized oppression”? This program gives a very good example of it, with its demand of ideological purity as a prerequisite to earning a teaching degree.

This is terribly disingenuous.
Is it so hard for conservatives to imagine that if teachers understand the way the classroom dynamic works, this may do something to combat scientific ignorance and illiteracy? And that this classroom dynamic may have something to do with race, class, and gender? For instance, if a white teacher goes into a classroom thinking "Me white person, me save classroom of poor black children" a la every single inspirational movie that's made about teachers, they might end up alienating the students?

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 05:17 PM
This is terribly disingenuous.
Is it so hard for conservatives to imagine that if teachers understand the way the classroom dynamic works, this may do something to combat scientific ignorance and illiteracy? And that this classroom dynamic may have something to do with race, class, and gender? For instance, if a white teacher goes into a classroom thinking "Me white person, me save classroom of poor black children" a la every single inspirational movie that's made about teachers, they might end up alienating the students?

The UofM needs you!!!.... just like teachers need a task group to force them to subscribe to the scrubbing of blackboards with hog wash. My bad...I think they are whiteboards now.