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popcorn_karate
11-13-2009, 02:34 PM
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/obamas-pesticide-pushing-nominee

what a prick.

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 07:28 AM
Obama's foreign policy failure rundown. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/19/circling_sharks_smell_american_blood_99205.html)

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 07:32 AM
Obama's foreign policy failure rundown. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/19/circling_sharks_smell_american_blood_99205.html)

"Circling Sharks Smell American Blood?" Ooooo-kay.

I'll tell you what's running down: the pee, down VDH's leg. He should go for the extra capacity Depends. As should his fans.

Francoamerican
11-19-2009, 07:53 AM
"Circling Sharks Smell American Blood?" Ooooo-kay.

I'll tell you what's running down: the pee, down VDH's leg. He should go for the extra capacity Depends. As should his fans.

Poor VDH. A prophet who has never been right about anything. See his editorials on the run-up to the Iraq war.

I suppose when you are a classical scholar whose books are universally panned by fellow classicists, there is no other career left but that of prophet.

look
11-19-2009, 10:32 AM
Poor VDH. A prophet who has never been right about anything. See his editorials on the run-up to the Iraq war.

I suppose when you are a classical scholar whose books are universally panned by fellow classicists, there is no other career left but that of prophet.Would you mind pointing out the inaccuracies or short-comings of this article?

AemJeff
11-19-2009, 10:55 AM
Would you mind pointing out the inaccuracies or short-comings of this article?

Yeah, its typical VDH, who as always is almost incapable of writing a simple, factual sentence. Blustering, tendentious, making assumptions about the past that were never true, and full of assertions that don't have a basis in fact, or assertions of fact that are framed dishonestly as criticisms of his current target.

e.g.

Beijing is worried about owning so much American debt.

They were worried a year ago, they're worried now. It not new.

In Afghanistan, we canít decide whether to seek victory or admit defeat ó or simply vote present by keeping the status quo.

Again, that hasn't changed. Considering how poorly managed the effort there had been, picking up the pieces is no simple matter. Partisan characterizations of "dithering" are just that, empty partisanship.

The Chinese donít listen all that much anymore to our sermons on their human-rights, coal-burning, and free-trade abuses ó not when they hold $1.5 trillion in U.S. assets.

They never did! It's not new. You can continue right down the text that way. He could have written the same piece in 2007. There's nothing in the article that's new, and most of the stated "facts" are just restatemets of common complaints from the Right. In other words the entire piece, just like every other piece I've ever read by VDH is empty, partisan puffery written in a superfluously mellifluous tone. You can find a fact or two in there, if you really try, but you really have to cherry-pick the assertions to find one, and even then it's almost guaranteed to have been phrased in the most tendentious way possible.

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 12:30 PM
He could have written the same piece in 2007. There's nothing in the article that's new, and most of the stated "facts" are just restatemets of common complaints from the Right.

B-b-b-but EvenTheLiberalNYTImes (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/11/china-narrative) ...

(h/t: Mori Dinauer (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=11&year=2009&base_name=lightning_round_i_guess_this_m))

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Yeah, its typical VDH, who as always is almost incapable of writing a simple, factual sentence. Blustering, tendentious, making assumptions about the past that were never true, and full of assertions that don't have a basis in fact, or assertions of fact that are framed dishonestly as criticisms of his current target.

Much like you here.


They were worried a year ago, they're worried now. It not new.

Maybe so. What is new is a 12 TRILLION dollar deficit and a President hell bent on adding more to it while proving not to be able to do anything to stimulate the economy.


Again, that hasn't changed. Considering how poorly managed the effort there had been, picking up the pieces is no simple matter. Partisan characterizations of "dithering" are just that, empty partisanship.

Nice try, Jeff. The point here is the President has been waffling on this since the spring. This isn't a matter of making the wrong decision and then changing it up this is about making NO decision...but we keep hearing "soon". Make all the past comparisons you want. This is about the current President and what he is doing and the perception he is leaving with everyone around the world. "Dithering" is a nice way to put it.

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 06:24 PM
"Dithering" is a nice way to put it.

Sure must be. (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29856)

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 06:32 PM
Sure must be. (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29856)

A day without balloon-juice is a day without sunshine.

AemJeff
11-19-2009, 06:39 PM
Much like you here.


Maybe so. What is new is a 12 TRILLION dollar deficit and a President hell bent on adding more to it while proving not to be able to do anything to stimulate the economy.


Nice try, Jeff. The point here is the President has been waffling on this since the spring. This isn't a matter of making the wrong decision and then changing it up this is about making NO decision...but we keep hearing "soon". Make all the past comparisons you want. This is about the current President and what he is doing and the perception he is leaving with everyone around the world. "Dithering" is a nice way to put it.

Instantiate any one of your accusations, just once, instead of waving your hands under talking points and whining that people hold opinions that differ from yours. Give us a hint that you're capable of independent thought.

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 07:00 PM
Instantiate any one of your accusations, just once, instead of waving your hands under talking points and whining that people hold opinions that differ from yours. Give us a hint that you're capable of independent thought.

OMG...like your response said ANYTHING. Just pissed because I called you on it, eh.

I pointed out the differences in my post, Jeff. I feel no need to instantiate anything new. You have no answers to the critique so you insult and dodge.

Again...nice try, Jeff.

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 07:03 PM
A day without balloon-juice is a day without sunshine.

Yep. It is pretty funny, isn't it, how often I see you babble something on this site and realize that two or three days earlier, John or one of his co-bloggers had predicted that exact behavior.

look
11-19-2009, 07:12 PM
Yeah, its typical VDH, who as always is almost incapable of writing a simple, factual sentence. Blustering, tendentious, making assumptions about the past that were never true, and full of assertions that don't have a basis in fact, or assertions of fact that are framed dishonestly as criticisms of his current target.

e.g.


They were worried a year ago, they're worried now. It not new.


Again, that hasn't changed. Considering how poorly managed the effort there had been, picking up the pieces is no simple matter. Partisan characterizations of "dithering" are just that, empty partisanship.


They never did! It's not new. You can continue right down the text that way. He could have written the same piece in 2007. There's nothing in the article that's new, and most of the stated "facts" are just restatemets of common complaints from the Right. In other words the entire piece, just like every other piece I've ever read by VDH is empty, partisan puffery written in a superfluously mellifluous tone. You can find a fact or two in there, if you really try, but you really have to cherry-pick the assertions to find one, and even then it's almost guaranteed to have been phrased in the most tendentious way possible.That's rich.

It is new that we're in over our heads, even more, since the election. The Chinese are reasonably questioning the wisdom of further burying ourselves in debt with health reform.

Obama has had McChystal's request since August 30. He's had time to jet to Copenhagen, make various whistle stop type trips to make speeches, appear on Leno, make a commercial for George Lopez, campaign for Corzine, and play golf. Where does the time go?

I haven't read a lot of VDH, but when I do he seems down to earth in his writing syle. Maybe you could hunt me up a few of his more egregious examples?

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 07:12 PM
Evidently, 'fur still thinks I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I???1? is the wittiest riposte he's ever heard.

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 07:16 PM
I haven't read a lot of VDH, but when I do he seems down to earth in his writing syle. Maybe you could hunt me up a few of his more egregious examples?

Start here (http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=google-coop&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3Abjk%2520faves%3B L%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fintl%2Fen%2Fimag es%2Flogos%2Fcustom_search_logo_sm.gif%3BLH%3A30%3 BLP%3A1%3BVLC%3A%23551a8b%3BDIV%3A%23cccccc%3B&adkw=AELymgX_rbs1SPEtsdplGrcQ-ytS7g9LVVjM9Yey9XxMiHQux8e41SU337hxMCoWYoMMmyDQKwk soi3YCGsyrxhymG5BbpZvZqrlLdHhdrhwTpXOFG7EXxs&boostcse=0&q=victor+davis+hanson&btnG=Search&cx=007432832765683203066%3Aw5evdpfzlks).

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 07:26 PM
Evidently, 'fur still thinks I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I???1? is the wittiest riposte he's ever heard.

No Brendan.

Fur thinks that when Jeff writes a post in which 1 paragraph does nothing but attempt to shoot the messenger...2 paragraphs that say the same meaningless thing about China's attitude staying stagnant in spite of the fact that the state of our economy is VASTLY different than it was a year ago...and yet a fourth paragraph trying to say that 7 months of waffling on a decision on Afghanistan is somehow comparable to something else without really telling us what that is, well fur might just point out the post's inanity.

Let Jeff fight his own battles, asshole or don't you think him capable.

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 07:33 PM
Yep. It is pretty funny, isn't it, how often I see you babble something on this site and realize that two or three days earlier, John or one of his co-bloggers had predicted that exact behavior.

Then I expect you can come up with some actual examples.

Speaking of, how about you go find all the examples of lefty blogs complaining about the huge Bush deficits.

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 07:34 PM
Start here (http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=google-coop&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3Abjk%2520faves%3B L%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fintl%2Fen%2Fimag es%2Flogos%2Fcustom_search_logo_sm.gif%3BLH%3A30%3 BLP%3A1%3BVLC%3A%23551a8b%3BDIV%3A%23cccccc%3B&adkw=AELymgX_rbs1SPEtsdplGrcQ-ytS7g9LVVjM9Yey9XxMiHQux8e41SU337hxMCoWYoMMmyDQKwk soi3YCGsyrxhymG5BbpZvZqrlLdHhdrhwTpXOFG7EXxs&boostcse=0&q=victor+davis+hanson&btnG=Search&cx=007432832765683203066%3Aw5evdpfzlks).

...not a lefty blog among them.

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 07:36 PM
Then I expect you can come up with some actual examples.

I just gave you one (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139070#post139070), and it made you start crying, so I'm hesitant to aggravate the situation.

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 07:39 PM
I just gave you one (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139070#post139070), and it made you start crying, so I'm hesitant to aggravate the situation.

Hardly a prediction and you said it happened all the time. Back it up or shut the fuck up.

AemJeff
11-19-2009, 07:45 PM
That's rich.

It is new that we're in over our heads, even more, since the election. The Chinese are reasonably questioning the wisdom of further burying ourselves in debt with health reform.

Obama has had McChystal's request since August 30. He's had time to jet to Copenhagen, make various whistle stop type trips to make speeches, appear on Leno, make a commercial for George Lopez, campaign for Corzine, and play golf. Where does the time go?

I haven't read a lot of VDH, but when I do he seems down to earth in his writing syle. Maybe you could hunt me up a few of his more egregious examples?

Hell, he writes regularly on PJ and NRO.

I saw him lecturing on CSPAN once, long ago, on the topic of military history. It was a fascinating, erudite speech that showed real learning and wisdom. Then I started noticing his name as an author at NRO and on the Corner. "Down to earth" seems about as far removed from his hugely grand, allusive writing style as it's possible to get. He been writing tendentious puff pieces in favor of the fiasco in Iraq and the previous administration since I first noticed. Even John Derbyshire famously called him a [essentially useless source on] - it's been a while, I can't remember if he said "shill" or "cheerleader" - for the war; though Derbyshire has also expressed respect for VDH's writing skills. I challenge anybody to read him on the topic of the war and come away believing he ever wrote a true word. There are people for whom I have a bit of respect at NRO - Derbyshire, Stuttaford, Ponnuru to name a few. Hanson doesn't rise above hackery in his political writings. The fact that he's now hanging out with the sad-sacks at PJ Media ought to tell us something.

AemJeff
11-19-2009, 07:47 PM
I just gave you one (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139070#post139070), and it made you start crying, so I'm hesitant to aggravate the situation.

'Fur doesn't mount concrete arguments. Nor does he respond to them coherently. Why bother?

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 07:49 PM
'Fur doesn't mount concrete arguments. Nor does he respond to them coherently. Why bother?

Whatever Jeff. Your points were fucking hog wash and you cannot back them up so you run away hand in hand your Master Brendan.

AemJeff
11-19-2009, 08:14 PM
That's rich.

It is new that we're in over our heads, even more, since the election. The Chinese are reasonably questioning the wisdom of further burying ourselves in debt with health reform.

Obama has had McChystal's request since August 30. He's had time to jet to Copenhagen, make various whistle stop type trips to make speeches, appear on Leno, make a commercial for George Lopez, campaign for Corzine, and play golf. Where does the time go?

I haven't read a lot of VDH, but when I do he seems down to earth in his writing syle. Maybe you could hunt me up a few of his more egregious examples?

On the substance of this - asserting a "Chinese this-that-or-the-other criticism" of US policy doesn't tell us anything new. They are, and have been for a long time, our sole competitor at the superpower level. Even topical criticism from that source has to be taken with a grain of salt. Even if that weren't true - where we stand right now is far more the result of Bush policy than Obama policy. How much of the huge debt is O acually responsible for? Look at the numbers before you assert what isn't true. He has a piece of it, that's for sure.

I'm not quite sure how you think a President budgets his time, or why you think that an Afghanistan decision ought to have happened on your, or the RNC's schedule. Real world events, like badly handled elections, might just be more important than Republican talking points. (I'm not calling you a Republican.)

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 09:37 PM
On the substance of this - asserting a "Chinese this-that-or-the-other criticism" of US policy doesn't tell us anything new. They are, and have been for a long time, our sole competitor at the superpower level. Even topical criticism from that source has to be taken with a grain of salt. Even if that weren't true - where we stand right now is far more the result of Bush policy than Obama policy. How much of the huge debt is O acually responsible for? Look at the numbers before you assert what isn't true. He has a piece of it, that's for sure.

I'm not quite sure how you think a President budgets his time, or why you think that an Afghanistan decision ought to have happened on your, or the RNC's schedule. Real world events, like badly handled elections, might just be more important than Republican talking points. (I'm not calling you a Republican.)


Pretty sure he suggested "the McChrystal schedule". How many soldier's have died since August? April? You do know that McChrystal actually asked for 80K more troops right? The 40,000 was the least he could envision success with.

Other than that...

Jeff, this is NOT the Bush deficit. 12 trillion things could have been done differently since Jan. 20 of this year. You all were shitting your pants when the Bush deficit hit 700 billion a year ago. Hell you all were shitting your pants about the deficits before the (Democrat created) crisis last fall.

This was kinda new.... (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/14/china-us-economy) and this was before we reached the 12 trillion debt mark. Don't remember this kind of statement during the Bush administration.

They are also not real comfortable with this Adminstration's solution to things being the printing of more money. (http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=6526.5006.0.0) Not to mention the dollar itself (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574540052282519972.html). Of course, I will agree it was not strong a year ago. Its worse now. It bothers China more.

Bottom line is things are worse now than they were a year ago and Obama failed to persuade anyone over there of anything.

Oh an overall policy-wise...Obama IS pretty much Bush.

AemJeff
11-19-2009, 09:50 PM
Here's a chronological depiction of the debt as a percent of GDP. Examine the periods during Republican administrations. It's fascinating. (source (http://zfacts.com/p/318.html))

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 10:32 PM
I just gave you one (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139070#post139070), and it made you start crying, so I'm hesitant to aggravate the situation.

Hardly a prediction and you said it happened all the time. Back it up or shut the fuck up.

See? I just made another correct prediction.

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 10:37 PM
... asshole ...

It's always nice when you acknowledge that I'm getting to you, and the limited vocabulary just accentuates the obvious frustration.

Comedy gold.

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 10:44 PM
It's always nice when you acknowledge that I'm getting to you, and the limited vocabulary just accentuates the obvious frustration.

Comedy gold.

Oh, I'm sorry someone told me that it was your middle name? Its not?

Whatfur
11-19-2009, 10:51 PM
Your graph is not any more useful than the current GDP numbers.

graz
11-19-2009, 11:03 PM
It's always nice when you acknowledge that I'm getting to you, and the limited vocabulary just accentuates the obvious frustration.

Comedy gold.

Don't forget the spelling and grammar! (http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/23870?in=32:22&out=32:30)

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 11:06 PM
Oh, I'm sorry someone told me that it was your middle name? Its not?

Wow, 'fur. That is some seriously weak sauce. That's even lamer than, well, you know (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139085#post139085) ...

bjkeefe
11-19-2009, 11:09 PM
Don't forget the spelling and grammar! (http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/23870?in=32:22&out=32:30)

Heh, yeah. It's not just the trolls. The temper tantrum tykes stand out in the same way.

popcorn_karate
11-20-2009, 12:28 PM
Your graph is not any more useful than the current GDP numbers.

except that it shows the deep intellectual dishonesty of any conservative whining about "fiscal responsibility".

Whatfur
11-20-2009, 08:20 PM
except that it shows the deep intellectual dishonesty of any conservative whining about "fiscal responsibility".

I think I just recently saw demostrated everything you know about intellectual dishonesty in another thread.

bjkeefe
11-20-2009, 08:29 PM
I think I just recently saw demostrated everything you know about intellectual dishonesty in another thread.

He dares not link, though, lest the vacuity of the accusation be exposed.

Whatfur
11-21-2009, 08:50 AM
He dares not link, though, lest the vacuity of the accusation be exposed.

Oh my, Brendan continue's to fight popcorn_kay's battles for him. How sweet.

Per your request. (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139355&highlight=asshole#post139355)

bjkeefe
11-21-2009, 09:02 AM
Oh my, Brendan continue's to fight popcorn_kay's battles for him. How sweet.

Looks like another correct prediction (http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showthread.php?p=139381#post139381).

Whatfur
11-22-2009, 10:41 AM
No way! Not Iowa!!! Way! (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20091121/NEWS/91121005)

Whatfur
11-22-2009, 11:31 AM
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/obamas-pesticide-pushing-nominee

what a prick.


And another?? (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-20/obama-the-un-decider/full/)

bjkeefe
11-22-2009, 11:38 AM
And another?? (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-20/obama-the-un-decider/full/)

<strike>Shorter</strike> Equivalent 'fur:

Being embarrassed about getting called out for overuse of ALL caps and boldface, let us now use extra punctuation to make up for continued lack of substance!!!1!

piscivorous
11-23-2009, 12:52 AM
Saturday Night Live (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/china-cold-open/1178451/) has finally reverted to it's true calling; mocking the president.

Whatfur
11-23-2009, 08:16 AM
Being embarrassed about getting called out for overuse of ALL caps and boldface, let us now use extra punctuation to make up for continued lack of substance!!!1
So my exposing your lies and attempts at deception you try to make equivalent to my use of CAPS etc!!!!.

I can live with that.

bjkeefe
11-23-2009, 08:20 AM
So my exposing your lies and attempts at deception you try to make equivalent to my use of CAPS etc!!!!.

I can live with that.

If you think linking to a yawn-inducing post on the Daily Beast, in which a failed pundit (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&year=2006&base_name=coda_on_siegel) nitpicks Obama, is the same as "exposing your lies and attempts at deception," uh ... okay. I expect you'll be alone in that belief, though.

Whatfur
11-23-2009, 08:31 AM
If you think linking to a yawn-inducing post on the Daily Beast, in which a failed pundit (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&year=2006&base_name=coda_on_siegel) nitpicks Obama, is the same as "exposing your lies and attempts at deception," uh ... okay. I expect you'll be alone in that belief, though.

No its exactly like your response here. You try to deceive people into thinking it is about something it is not. The actual examples are already etched in peoples minds. Let me know if you would like a book of links.

bjkeefe
11-23-2009, 08:40 AM
No its exactly like your response here. You try to deceive people into thinking it is about something it is not. The actual examples are already etched in peoples minds. Let me know if you would like a book of links.

I'd say don't bother. You're becoming so incoherent even I -- a student of wingnuts, their derangement, and their grievances -- am having trouble following what you're talking about by now.

You've already made up your mind about me, you've got a small handful of back-patters who feel the same way, and pretty much everyone else here thinks you're a big noise who does almost nothing but pollute this site. So why not try to find it within yourself to move on, rather than waking up every morning driven to hurl the same old imagined accusations at me? Despite the belief you appear to have picked up from your heroes on hate radio, not that many people are persuaded solely be sheer repetition, especially when they're familiar with the source.

Whatfur
11-23-2009, 09:12 AM
I'd say don't bother...

Good decision...it will save you some repeated embarrassment. Funny in a sad way that you would respond to my post with an example of what I accused you of. It is so ingrained in your character that you do not even realize when you are doing it.

You also flatter yourself if you think all your little buddies hold you in any esteem. They may say they do but in reality they know that overall you are a cancer here and I have simply chosen the role of radiation treatment as this sight needed some balance...primarily because of you. Granted, neither is pretty, but I chose my role and you live yours.

Whatfur
11-23-2009, 11:00 AM
Saturday Night Live (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/china-cold-open/1178451/) has finally reverted to it's true calling; mocking the president.


Unfortunately, although Obama's rhetoric gives some the warm and fuzzies...its not working on the world stage (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662822,00.html).

look
11-23-2009, 12:47 PM
Saturday Night Live (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/china-cold-open/1178451/) has finally reverted to it's true calling; mocking the president.I thought the last SNL presidential skit was weak. This one is hilarious and well done.

bjkeefe
11-23-2009, 02:21 PM
Unfortunately, although Obama's rhetoric gives some the warm and fuzzies...its not working on the world stage (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662822,00.html).

For context, it's worth looking at what the same author said in Feb 2008 (http://www.dialoginternational.com/dialog_international/2008/02/the-stupidity-o.html).

Also, Oliver Willis (http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/11/23/gabor-steingart-der-spiegels-obama-doomsayer/) has looked at other past work by this guy. He also links, for laughs, to the Memeorandum (http://www.memeorandum.com/091123/p31#a091123p31) entry for the article, showing what catnip this has been for Greater Wingnuttia.

bjkeefe
11-23-2009, 02:23 PM
Good decision...it will save you some repeated embarrassment. Funny in a sad way that you would respond to my post with an example of what I accused you of. It is so ingrained in your character that you do not even realize when you are doing it.

You also flatter yourself if you think all your little buddies hold you in any esteem. They may say they do but in reality they know that overall you are a cancer here and I have simply chosen the role of radiation treatment as this sight needed some balance...primarily because of you. Granted, neither is pretty, but I chose my role and you live yours.

That babbling deserves to be preserved for the record. Comical.

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:50 PM
OMG, Not Arianna too? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/will-the-unemployment-dis_b_368329.html)

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:54 PM
Fading Fast. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/hope-is-fading-fast-devastating-take-on-iconic-obama-poster/)

Whatfur
11-24-2009, 01:59 PM
Your graph is not any more useful than the current GDP numbers.


Oh My...as my buddy Branflake likes to say "as I predicted"... (I'll add a little boldness just for him.)

"The Commerce Department revised its third-quarter economy estimation sharply downward today, from the previously announced 3.5% annualized growth to 2.8% instead. ... the AP notes, itís almost entirely comprised of short-term government stimulus:"

Read the rest... (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/24/3rd-quarter-gdp-2-8-not-3-5/)

[added] Change we can believe in?

Whatfur
11-25-2009, 12:00 PM
Indecision has repercussions. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/6646179/Bob-Ainsworth-criticises-Barack-Obama-over-Afghanistan.html)

Whatfur
11-28-2009, 11:33 AM
Obama the amateur. Someone should have pointed out his inexperience during the election.

Not the Grey Lady!!! (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/opinion/28sat1.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1259417271-OMhj5s+aONARqL6hVZ2P5Q)

graz
11-28-2009, 05:34 PM
...You also flatter yourself if you think all your little buddies hold you in any esteem. They may say they do but in reality...

None of your's, aside from the occasional snicker, say they do of you. Why such a high self-regard then? Did your mammy and pappy over compensate and tell you: "fur - you're the greatest." ... every day since you were itty bitty?

handle
11-28-2009, 05:43 PM
None of your's, aside from the occasional snicker, say they do of you. Why such a high self-regard then? Did your mammy and pappy over compensate and tell you: "fur - you're the greatest." ... every day since you were itty bitty?

Worse.. they told him he was smart! Too bad he wasn't smart enough to figure out they were overcompensating.

Whatfur
11-28-2009, 06:31 PM
...the occasional snicker...

Actually mom used to say don't be conceited...be convincing. Dad would usually say things like "That's my boy.".

My high regard could certainly comes from comparing myself against people like you, who now are going back 5 days to read posts of mine to find something to attempt to ridicule.

graz
11-28-2009, 06:32 PM
Actually mom used to say don't be conceited...be convincing. Dad would usually say things like "That's my boy.".

My high regard could certainly comes from comparing myself against people like you, who now are going back 5 days to read posts of mine to find something to attempt to ridicule.

...

handle
11-29-2009, 03:05 PM
...

Pure gold... OK, which one of you jokers tied Whatisnames shoes together?
Dammit graz!

popcorn_karate
11-30-2009, 02:20 PM
I think I just recently saw demostrated everything you know about intellectual dishonesty in another thread.


haven't checked in for a while, what are you referring to?

Whatfur
11-30-2009, 03:19 PM
haven't checked in for a while, what are you referring to?

Go back a couple posts here where Brendan jumps in to insult and riducule on your behalf and pointed to the fact that I did not provide the link to what you are now seeking as if I was trying to hide something...being always willing to provide clarity...(unless your name is graz or handle who I would not provide fundunder cheese to, even if they were starving)...you can find it subsequently linked in my response to your savior. Enjoy.

graz
11-30-2009, 03:29 PM
...being always willing to provide clarity...(unless your name is graz or handle who I would not provide fundunder cheese to, even if they were starving)...

You may fancy yourself a gentleman and a scholar... but all signs point to neither... Sir.

Whatfur
11-30-2009, 05:19 PM
Losing control of the storyline? (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29993.html)

graz
11-30-2009, 05:54 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2236708/

handle
11-30-2009, 06:25 PM
not to mention creepy, especially if you've heard this redneck joke before:
fundunder cheese

Don't sucker for this one campers!

Whatfur
11-30-2009, 07:02 PM
Get out ahead of the actual curve...Brilliant. (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obamas-Brilliant-First-Year----Nationalize-health-care-expand-government-undermine-Reagan-77695672.html)


See you in the funny papers. (http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2009/11/29/#005442)

popcorn_karate
11-30-2009, 07:39 PM
Go back a couple posts here where Brendan jumps in to insult and riducule on your behalf and pointed to the fact that I did not provide the link to what you are now seeking as if I was trying to hide something...being always willing to provide clarity...(unless your name is graz or handle who I would not provide fundunder cheese to, even if they were starving)...you can find it subsequently linked in my response to your savior. Enjoy.

oh yeah. re-read that thread.

you really might not want to link to that, however. some people will be smart enough to notice that (up thread) i did provide quotes to support my points and that you are simply deranged if you can not figure out that "half way through the next decade" is a fair approximation to "5 or 6 years from now"

I've tried for quite some time to see redeeming value in you - but you just keep being more vitriolic and worse, dishonest as time goes by.

p.s. if that was too big-wordy for you, it means you're a douche bag.

graz
11-30-2009, 07:40 PM
Byron York.. Need I say more?

graz
11-30-2009, 07:47 PM
Re: fur...

I've tried for quite some time to see redeeming value in you - but you just keep being more vitriolic and worse, dishonest as time goes by.

I beg to differ. He has cleaned up his act for the nanny.
As for the dishonesty... nobody is fooled.

p.s. if that was too big-wordy for you, it means you're a douche bag.
On this point I'm in agreement. Fwiw... Ha!

Whatfur
11-30-2009, 10:41 PM
oh yeah. re-read that thread.

you really might not want to link to that, however. some people will be smart enough to notice that (up thread) i did provide quotes to support my points and that you are simply deranged if you can not figure out that "half way through the next decade" is a fair approximation to "5 or 6 years from now"

I've tried for quite some time to see redeeming value in you - but you just keep being more vitriolic and worse, dishonest as time goes by.

p.s. if that was too big-wordy for you, it means you're a douche bag.


Nope not too big-wordy but OMG you are rather thick. I called you on misquoting numerical facts, not to mention obviously misunderstanding an article in doing so while it was you who was doing the accusing of someone not having read the article.

But maybe we may be getting somewhere with your most recent admission and people who are "smart enough" will see...actually even stupid people should understand...

One more time...you make the following statement as if it was a decided on fact when in truth your statement is NOT what was said nor were your individual facts any more than speculation.

the article says that there is a pause due to oceanic currents in the pacific that will change in about 5-6 years or due to variation in solar output (based on sunspots) that will turn around in a year or two.

Now lets look at the actual quote and let us keep in mind that this is being quoted by you in the same breath (and with vitriol???) you are accusing me of having not read the article:

"IF, the deep waters of the Pacific are, in fact, the most important factor holding up global warming, climate change will remain at a standstill until the middle of the next decade. BUT, if the cooling trend is the result of reduced solar activity things COULD start getting warmer again much sooner. Based on past experience, solar activity will LIKELY increase again in the next few years."


1. Even though the article did finish up talking about PDO and Solar activity they were pretty explicit about portraying these as speculation. Here the article says "IF". Signifying uncertainty. You say the article says "there IS a pause due to...or due to". Giving the impression of only 2 possible outcomes and with certainty. Misrepresentation #1.

2. You say "ocean currents in the Pacific", and although current is talked about also at times as having an affect, generally there we would be talking about the movement of water horizontally where in this case we are really talking about the PDO piece (pacific decadal oscillation) which is an upheaval. The PDO was never referred to as a current. It is NOT a current. Pretty much invalidating your quote. It was the PDO that is to possibly happen after the "standstill"...what currents will be doing at that time will be a factor but unrelated to this specific timeline. Misrepresentation? Maybe. Your misunderstanding? Probably. One might of asked YOU if YOU read the article.

*side note--PDOs go on 20 and 30 year cycles so even Latif was pushing it.

3. the article says that "climate change will remain at a standstill until the middle of the next decade". You said the article said, "oceanic currents in the pacific will change in in 5-6 years". Even ignoring the current thing, again a difference. Again we have the speculation, but also where the article leaves logical wiggle room...(i.e. say, come 2017 if climate change remains at a standstill, their statement is still true and God knows they would refer it is as such if this was the case) where your statement being dependant on "change" (DOES NOT SAY the same thing) would be false. Misrepresentation #2.

4. Concerning the 5-6 years vs. the middle of the next decade well yeah I can do the math but of course I was calling you on the numbers. Again you are offering finite numbers where they were speculating on a time period. See #3 above but switch it around a bit saying that in 2017 things started to warm, Latif and his gang would most certainly feel vindicated in their prediction and you would have already been a failure for 1 or 2 years. Misrepresentation #3.

5. Lastly, concerning solar activity being the reason, the article uses the words "could start", "much sooner", "in then next few years". You said it said, "will turn around in a year or 2". This kind of deception is already covered in #4. Misrepresentation #4.

AGAIN, you made a statement in a post as if you were quoting from the article and you utilized specific numbers. I simply pointed out that you were NOT quoting from the article and that your numbers did not appear there. Furthermore, the fact that the article was clear that it was dealing with opinion and speculation, you were just the opposite. If you want to deny now that you did not do this to deceive (and/or in an effort to denigrate fur's link posting), fine. You might then have responded to Piscivorous., who called you on it immediately.

Bottom line is, I simply posted an article with barely a personal comment that spoke of Baffled scientists. You jumped on it with an invented quote, invented numbers, deceptive righteousness in portraying speculation as fact, and an insult to me. I had the audacity to call you on it. You then and now are propped up by idiots who are more interested in tearing me down than reality and you feel empowered to dig your heals in. Whatever.

Who's the douch-bag again? Oh and please point me to any of my dishonesty that you speak of and I will apologize for it.



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graz
12-01-2009, 12:05 AM
Oh and please point me to any of my dishonesty that you speak of and I will apologize for it.


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More honesty from Fur:

"You then and now are propped up by idiots ..."

bjkeefe
12-01-2009, 06:51 AM
Byron York.. Need I say more?

Nope. That says it all. The poster boy for intellectual dishonesty.

Thanks for the link to the Weisberg piece ("Obama's Brilliant First Year (http://www.slate.com/id/2236708/)"), though. That one was worth reading.

Whatfur
12-01-2009, 07:03 AM
Nope. That says it all. The poster boy for intellectual dishonesty.

Thanks for the link to the Weisberg piece ("Obama's Brilliant First Year (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obamas-Brilliant-First-Year----Nationalize-health-care-expand-government-undermine-Reagan-77695672.html)"), though. That one was worth reading.

Say what you will, but you have chosen your own poster boy.

Weisberg is a propagandist for the Obama administration even getting in on the Fox News feud. He's a joke and hardly a surprise that he would write a bullshit article full of BS glory and premature declarations of success. Also hardly a surprise the this article is being farmed like corn was for ethanol.

bjkeefe
12-01-2009, 07:05 AM
Say what you will, but you have chosen your own poster boy.

No. I barely pay attention to Weisberg at all. It was an interesting article, is all.

Whatfur
12-01-2009, 07:08 AM
No. I barely pay attention to Weisberg at all. It was an interesting article, is all.

and Alice in Wonderland was an interesting story.

bjkeefe
12-01-2009, 07:43 AM
and Alice in Wonderland was an interesting story.

This new tactic of yours -- comparing something you don't like to something completely unrelated -- is comical in its shallowness.

Though not surprising.

Whatfur
12-01-2009, 08:02 AM
This new tactic of yours -- comparing something you don't like to something completely unrelated -- is comical in its shallowness.

Though not surprising.

An old tactic of yours--forgetting when you have done the same thing yourself--is comical in its hypocrisy.

Also, not suprising.

bjkeefe
12-01-2009, 08:18 AM
An old tactic of yours--forgetting when you have done the same thing yourself--is comical in its hypocrisy.

Once again, we note the empty assertion and lack of any supporting links. This is not new for you.

Also, not suprising.

Nor is your inability to spell.

graz
12-01-2009, 10:21 AM
More honesty from Fur:



Who is Fur?
What is Fur?

Is he a man that you imagine yourself to be that none of us has seen?
Or just a sad poster; failed anecdote writer: blustering killer of wild turkeys;
In the end just an imitation pelt, neither funny like his heroes or insightful or imaginative... just a sad copy of an ideal... perhaps noble in intention... but painful and forced in execution. Carry on, as I'm sure you will.

Whatfur
12-01-2009, 11:07 AM
...Carry on, as I'm sure you will.

Do you ever stop and ask yourself "why the obsession?" with Fur?

Go away, as I am sure you won't.

handle
12-01-2009, 01:24 PM
Do you ever stop and ask yourself "why the obsession?" with Fur?

Go away, as I am sure you won't.

I think this, like some other recent posts from the Black Knight, is him lashing out in frustration at another poster that he hasn't errantly promised to leave alone.
It's no secret, I'm obsessed with a lots of wingnut blowhard bullshitters! It's the same obsession that takes over when you realize your house has been infested with ants, mice, or any other kind of disgusting vermin. I don't know about you, but I can barely sleep until I displace or destroy every last one of them.

How 'bout some full disclosure?
Which side of the petroleum industry is your bread buttered on anyway?

Your zeal for the big business of climate change denial kind of gives you away... maybe you could try to quell your boundless narcissism long enough to treat us with a rare whiff of accuracy.

P.S. Nobody is "following you around" Mr. paranoid. It's just that bullshit allergies are fairly common out here in the wild wild web, and the compulsion to clean it up can be very powerful indeed...

Whatfur
12-03-2009, 09:08 PM
Obama the peacemaker. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6942029.ece)