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Lyle
07-08-2009, 05:48 PM
Comrade Hitchens' thoughts:

http://www.slate.com/id/2222254/

JonIrenicus
07-09-2009, 03:51 PM
Comrade Hitchens' thoughts:

http://www.slate.com/id/2222254/

We'll see how it pans out long term. Though even if 20 years into the future things look brighter, don't expect a drop of humility on the opposition to invading Iraq.


After all, it was legally wrong, ethically wrong, will only lead to disaster, will radicalize muslims the world over, for time eternal, will collapse into disaster, will be the greatest foreign policy blunder of all time, no matter what happens, no matter what happens.

And even IF what happens turns out to be better than expected, or more surprisingly, bring positive results down the line, there is the issue of the price paid for the benefit such that even IF the sliver of possibility of a net god was seen, even that can be spit on.


Must be nice being on the left. There is no yielding, take a view, shift the goalposts to maintain that view, results be damned, falsifiability of a position be damned.

What a remarkable self deception.

bjkeefe
07-09-2009, 04:12 PM
What a remarkable self deception.

Reading your endless babbling about "the left," I couldn't agree more.

Lyle
07-09-2009, 04:18 PM
I'm pretty sure there's going to be a statute of George W. Bush one day in Iraq. At the very least there's going to be stuff with his name on it. :)

Lovely post, as always.

nikkibong
07-10-2009, 12:31 AM
I'm pretty sure there's going to be a statute of George W. Bush one day in Iraq. At the very least there's going to be stuff with his name on it. :)



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/waronterror/news-article.aspx?storyid=2806

Lyle
07-10-2009, 12:51 AM
I was aware, but that was under Saddam Hussein. You should have mentioned the shoe guy instead. :)

Liberation is liberation is liberation though... and the invasion of Iraq by the United States is now the fountainhead of all things coming in Iraq's future. We and he will be thanked one day. Just like the Kurds did after the first Gulf War by naming some of their kids Bush and Cheney.

Of course it could all go to hell and a hand basket one day, but my guess is that Iraq is going to make it and become a much better place in the future.

kezboard
07-10-2009, 05:02 AM
Unless you can find a Churchillstrasse in Dresden, I'm going to guess probably not, even if things work out as well as you think they will in Iraq.

By the way, just for laughs, do you know what the main street in Pristina, Kosovo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_Boulevard) is called?

Lyle
07-10-2009, 05:52 PM
Unless you can find a Churchillstrasse in Dresden, I'm going to guess probably not, even if things work out as well as you think they will in Iraq.

By the way, just for laughs, do you know what the main street in Pristina, Kosovo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_Boulevard) is called?

Good point, but there are plenty of streets in Germany named after Americans. Kennedy seems to be the most particular, however, and non-related to the Second World War.

... and the Bill Clinton example is exactly what I'm talking about. The Kurds and how the U.S. has helped them is probably more comparable to the Kosovar Albanians, but I think Iraq will remember us well at some point, in part, because we didn't fire bomb the entire country like Britain and the U.S. did to Dresden.