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JonIrenicus
05-28-2009, 03:23 PM
He may be hard line behind the scenes, but he is a great interview. Very sharp, technical, and a broad range of interests and involvements.


http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#

bjkeefe
05-28-2009, 03:56 PM
He may be hard line behind the scenes, but he is a great interview. Very sharp, technical, and a broad range of interests and involvements.


http://fora.tv/2009/04/07/Uber_Entrepreneur_An_Evening_with_Elon_Musk#

Huh. That name did not ring a bell for me, but I've heard of just about all of his activities, as listed in his Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk).

Thanks. I'll have to check this out.

bjkeefe
05-29-2009, 05:16 PM
Huh. That name did not ring a bell for me, but I've heard of just about all of his activities, as listed in his Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk).

Thanks. I'll have to check this out.

Just finished. Quite enjoyable. (From my own taste, I would have rather heard more about space and less about the Tesla, but OMMV.)

Thanks again.

bjkeefe
07-24-2010, 06:42 PM
Longish story in today's NYT about Elon Musk, mostly about his Tesla car company and growing skepticism concerning it and him: "All Revved Up, but So Far to Go (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/business/25elon.html?pagewanted=all)."

JonIrenicus
07-24-2010, 11:45 PM
Longish story in today's NYT about Elon Musk, mostly about his Tesla car company and growing skepticism concerning it and him: "All Revved Up, but So Far to Go (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/business/25elon.html?pagewanted=all)."



This section always grates on me, related to divorces and demands from spouses.


She wants their $10 million Bel Air estate, alimony and child support, $6 million in cash, stakes in Tesla and SpaceX and a Roadster that is “glacier blue with beige interior.”

“I think my ex-husband is brilliant and works like a demon and deserves his success and his wealth,” she wrote on her blog. “But I also think — after eight years of marriage and six kids (five surviving) — that I am entitled to a fair settlement.”


fair settlement ?!???!?

6 million in cash, stakes in companies HE put HIS own money and time in and she did NOTHING to foster, oh wait, that is right, she married him. Now there is cause for a stake in the company.

ugh, it's like a bunch of relatives bickering over the inheritance they are "entitled" to and are owed, because of what exactly? birth?




As for the rest, the guy has issues some issues, but that is not important long term for the industry. The electric car market does not rest on the fortunes of Tesla, it rests on the people working on batteries and ultra capacitors and the like.

Tesla is not a research company, they are more focused on engineering, which is useful. It can be of more general use if they license their technology to other companies to offset some of the engineering costs.


But the most important part is their efforts kick off heavier work in electric drive trains and focus the demands of battery makers and capacitor makers to a cars needs.

Ocean
07-25-2010, 11:10 AM
6 million in cash, stakes in companies HE put HIS own money and time in and she did NOTHING to foster, oh wait, that is right, she married him. Now there is cause for a stake in the company.

ugh, it's like a bunch of relatives bickering over the inheritance they are "entitled" to and are owed, because of what exactly? birth?


I can't even believe what you wrote above.

JonIrenicus
07-30-2010, 01:46 AM
I can't even believe what you wrote above.

After a certain threshold of cash, demands about payments and what is "owed" get insane.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/17/frank-mccourt-jamie-mccourt-los-angeles-dodgers-expenses-spousal-support-court/



And demands of not simply cash but stakes in companies the other person put all the work into makes no sense. There should be SOME perks of staying together that don't automatically carry over if you break up.

JonIrenicus
07-30-2010, 01:48 AM
Longish story in today's NYT about Elon Musk, mostly about his Tesla car company and growing skepticism concerning it and him: "All Revved Up, but So Far to Go (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/business/25elon.html?pagewanted=all)."


Here is a clip that talks about the real area that will determine when electric cars ramp up faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCIN0-rt2xw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpy8G3yBeJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCReQJvc0E8

Starwatcher162536
07-30-2010, 11:57 AM
The whole idea is that the government (Should) views marriage as nothing but a property rights contract that morphs two independent economic entities into one economic entity, so we would rather the government not make value judgments about the relative worth of the activities that each partner pursued during the course of the marriage. It's just easier to say "50-50, done!".

I know many women that consider child-rearing to be every bit as important as any job their husband could ever have. I know many women that feel they gave up a career that could have been just as auspicious as their husband's when she choose to raise children. I doubt many women in either set would see something wrong as Musk's wife asking for something akin to half his assets.

As for the video; It was meh. Lost interest before finishing.

JonIrenicus
07-30-2010, 12:47 PM
The whole idea is that the government (Should) views marriage as nothing but a property rights contract that morphs two independent economic entities into one economic entity, so we would rather the government not make value judgments about the relative worth of the activities that each partner pursued during the course of the marriage. It's just easier to say "50-50, done!".

I know many women that consider child-rearing to be every bit as important as any job their husband could ever have. I know many women that feel they gave up a career that could have been just as auspicious as their husband's when she choose to raise children. I doubt many women in either set would see something wrong as Musk's wife asking for something akin to half his assets.

As for the video; It was meh. Lost interest before finishing.


But it is not just 50 50 in one shot, the part that grates on me is the idea that a former spouse needs to pay money to the ex for YEARS after they are separated.


I get the argument for kids and child support (though after a certain dollar amount, the argument about it being about the children vs the parents wellfare = BS)

I even buy the argument about missed work opportunities and not wanting to be left dry after a break up. The rub comes when dealing with LARGE fortunes, the arguments about basic welfare, even generous welfare are moot, they will be fine no matter if the ex has to make payments or not if the other spouse gets millions after the breakup.

But you have people argue and defend peoples RIGHTS to be gifted millions on top of all the rest as payment.


You guys have to forgive me, my tears over the struggles of people not getting to obtain million dollar pay checks for years after a break up and doing nothing to generate that are not as deep as most of yours are.

graz
07-30-2010, 01:05 PM
You guys have to forgive me, my tears over the struggles of people not getting to obtain million dollar pay checks for years after a break up and doing nothing to generate that are not as deep as most of yours are.

You're waging a false battle. I doubt that there are many here who even concern themselves with the lifestyles of the rich and famously separated and divorced.

You concede that the welfare of the children is a paramount concern, as well as some concession towards lost opportunities for the dedicated childcare provider (usually the woman).

Now if you want to make a specific case for the inequity of divorce and custody laws generally... maybe you'll have an opponent... otherwise...

TwinSwords
07-30-2010, 03:14 PM
I know many women that consider child-rearing to be every bit as important as any job their husband could ever have.
A lot of women and men consider child-rearing to be more important than (almost) any job the husband could be doing.

And rightly so.

Ocean
07-30-2010, 06:39 PM
A lot of women and men consider child-rearing to be more important than (almost) any job the husband could be doing.

And rightly so.

I like your point. Somehow Jon's argument seemed to imply, as we often hear from the non-progressive side, that child-rearing responsibility is only or at least mostly the woman's responsibility. The fact that both parents agree that the woman will be the primary caregiver for the kids, gets often forgotten.

JonIrenicus
07-30-2010, 06:55 PM
I like your point. Somehow Jon's argument seemed to imply, as we often hear from the non-progressive side, that child-rearing responsibility is only or at least mostly the woman's responsibility. The fact that both parents agree that the woman will be the primary caregiver for the kids, gets often forgotten.


It cuts both ways, and with current trends it will often be the man pining for more assets from women.


I just get a mental jolt every time I hear talk of someone being owed something, and some of the more jarring cases involve exceptionally wealthy people trying to carve out financial chunks from each other with fake arguments about children and welfare of the kids when it should be obvious to all but the most dishonest human beings that after a certain financial threshold it is nothing more than a money grab, scratching and clawing for as much as people can get, and there is nothing noble about the process. This is not some righteous cause, it is greed and spite in its most base form.

Ocean
07-30-2010, 10:12 PM
It cuts both ways, and with current trends it will often be the man pining for more assets from women.


I just get a mental jolt every time I hear talk of someone being owed something, and some of the more jarring cases involve exceptionally wealthy people trying to carve out financial chunks from each other with fake arguments about children and welfare of the kids when it should be obvious to all but the most dishonest human beings that after a certain financial threshold it is nothing more than a money grab, scratching and clawing for as much as people can get, and there is nothing noble about the process. This is not some righteous cause, it is greed and spite in its most base form.

I agree that sadly, all too often there's some of that on either or both parts of the divorcing couple. It's just that when division of labor has been decided having one working outside and making money and the other one raising offspring, it's too complex to figure out the dollar amount of the latter's contribution and the implications for the future.