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JonIrenicus
05-18-2009, 03:25 PM
This is not tenable:

http://greenmgpl.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/electric_car.jpg


There is a certain level of ugly beyond which torture is preferable. Even if I did believe global warming was going to destroy life on this earth, if riding around in THAT was the only way to stave it off, I'd say let the world burn.


now that you are recovering from that ice pick to the eyes, we need better batteries so that we can afford to use cars that look more like

http://www.lilith-ezine.com/articles/automotive/images/Fisker-Karma-01.jpg


... but with a 500+ mile range... and a 10 minute charge time.

graz
05-18-2009, 09:43 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article6294116.ece?print=yes&randnum=1242604714984

Nate
05-19-2009, 03:57 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article6294116.ece?print=yes&randnum=1242604714984

Wow; Talk about a scathing review.

Do you think he hated it? haha

graz
05-31-2009, 08:15 AM
As ususal, P.J.O'Rourke's overarching complaint is ideological rather than factual, and the underlying truth is shaded in service to humor... But as always, there is some truth in his tale. And why has Portland, OR been getting ragged on by the conservatives lately? Do they hate bicycles and trolleys instead of troops?:

We became sick and tired of our cars and even angry at them. Pointy-headed busybodies of the environmentalist, new urbanist, utopian communitarian ilk blamed the victim. They claimed the car had forced us to live in widely scattered settlements in the great wasteland of big-box stores and the Olive Garden. If we would all just get on our Schwinns or hop a trolley, they said, America could become an archipelago of cozy gulags on the Portland, Ore., model with everyone nestled together in the most sustainably carbon-neutral, diverse and ecologically unimpactful way,

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574173401767415892.html

JonIrenicus
05-31-2009, 02:48 PM
As ususal, P.J.O'Rourke's overarching complaint is ideological rather than factual, and the underlying truth is shaded in service to humor... But as always, there is some truth in his tale. And why has Portland, OR been getting ragged on by the conservatives lately? Do they hate bicycles and trolleys instead of troops?:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574173401767415892.html

Some of the green folk just come across as nutty. Awhile back I was petitioned for some cause in front of whole foods. He was there with his bike, which was fine.

I do not remember what led to the question, but for some reason I was led to asking him, if you could have a world where the cars on the highway were completely electric, and the energy sources clean and renewable...

Or the same situation except with far fewer cars of any kind in favor of bikes and public transit... he said he preferred the latter.


The guy just did not like cars. Even IF they were clean, it boggles the mind. I want cleaner cars, but I still LIKE the idea of cars, of being able to get in and go, so much freedom and autonomy, and likely enhances the economy. because of the ease of access to places.

So yeah, the ones I look at with crossed eyes are those ultra hippie types who are just anti modern living.

bjkeefe
05-31-2009, 03:17 PM
Some of the green folk just come across as nutty. Awhile back I was petitioned for some cause in front of whole foods. He was there with his bike, which was fine.

I do not remember what led to the question, but for some reason I was led to asking him, if you could have a world where the cars on the highway were completely electric, and the energy sources clean and renewable...

Or the same situation except with far fewer cars of any kind in favor of bikes and public transit... he said he preferred the latter.


The guy just did not like cars. Even IF they were clean, it boggles the mind. I want cleaner cars, but I still LIKE the idea of cars, of being able to get in and go, so much freedom and autonomy, and likely enhances the economy. because of the ease of access to places.

So yeah, the ones I look at with crossed eyes are those ultra hippie types who are just anti modern living.

I take your point, especially as I, too, love having my own car, but I don't think it's fair to cal someone "anti modern living" just because he thinks living in a car-dominated society is suboptimal. Even if cars did not pollute, there are still disagreeable aspects to them, to the infrastructure that supports them, and to the various ways of life that are emphasized (or suppressed, as the case may be) by their existence.

Again, I would not like to live in a world without cars, especially clean cars, but I can see why other people dislike the very idea of them, and I don't think it's a point of view that deserves no respect.