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JonIrenicus
04-10-2009, 02:12 PM
ok honestly guys, have you SEEN these things?

they

do

NOTHING


clean nothing, all I see happening is a sprinkling of water on the ground, and shuffling leaves from one spot to a few feet away.


The ONLY value they bring is to the city, it gives the hustlers a pretense to ticket someone for not moving their vehicle before the sweeper schedule.


and you know what? I would actually prefer them just saying, no parking on the street during this day/time. But oh no, they have to LIE !!!!! and go through this STUPID charade of paying for expensive equipment and a few people to skulk around doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!

result of street sweeper

http://hoboken411.com/archives/15423

popcorn_karate
04-10-2009, 02:22 PM
sweeping the streets saves money because otherwise all that crap ends up in the sewer system blocking up pipes etc. which leads to more expensive problems.

its one of those things where actually knowing what the hell you're talking about helps.

JonIrenicus
04-10-2009, 02:27 PM
sweeping the streets saves money because otherwise all that crap ends up in the sewer system blocking up pipes etc. which leads to more expensive problems.

its one of those things where actually knowing what the hell you're talking about helps.

are you insane? being deliberately obtuse?

have you seen the trash/garbage trail left in the wake of a street sweeper?

Are you blind? this is one of the most obvious scams around.

Here is an article about an added cleaning technology designed to assist the street sweepers in their primary goal, cleaning the streets, right?

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=30&sid=1625541






Oh yes, those cameras will really make street sweeping more effective at cleaning

/rollseyes

the self delusion is pretty powerful on some people.

pampl
04-10-2009, 09:19 PM
I'm pretty sure they're just there to liquidate old or sick homeless people that can't flee fast enough. It's necessary for keeping the herd healthy.

AemJeff
04-10-2009, 10:25 PM
I'm pretty sure they're just there to liquidate old or sick homeless people that can't flee fast enough. It's necessary for keeping the herd healthy.

Heh.

graz
04-10-2009, 10:38 PM
are you insane? being deliberately obtuse?

have you seen the trash/garbage trail left in the wake of a street sweeper?

Are you blind? this is one of the most obvious scams around.

Here is an article about an added cleaning technology designed to assist the street sweepers in their primary goal, cleaning the streets, right?

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=30&sid=1625541

Oh yes, those cameras will really make street sweeping more effective at cleaning

/rollseyes

the self delusion is pretty powerful on some people.
Here is the theory. (http://www.indepthinfo.com/gadgets/streetsweepingmachines.shtml)

Here is some data. (http://www.worldsweeper.com/Street/Studies/KurahashiStudy/index.html)

And the real world application: or conclusion? (http://www.berkeleycitizen.org/sweeping/sweeping4.html)

With the newer equipment litter removal as well as reduction of toxic residue in the run-off is achieved. Yes, ticketing vehicles obstructing the sweepers is a revenue enhancer... part of the cost of citizenship. The option is moving your car or opting-out as in example three.

If these conclusions are only a dream, then don't wake me I wish to remain under the spell.

cragger
04-11-2009, 05:17 PM
Since I live far enough north that they sand the streets in winter, I have watched street sweepers at work a number of times. Walked right past one in operation not ten days ago. The ones I have seen work just fine. I wonder if they actually reuse the sand again the following winter, possibly sifting it first for debris.

JonIrenicus
04-12-2009, 12:44 AM
Here is the theory. (http://www.indepthinfo.com/gadgets/streetsweepingmachines.shtml)

Here is some data. (http://www.worldsweeper.com/Street/Studies/KurahashiStudy/index.html)

And the real world application: or conclusion? (http://www.berkeleycitizen.org/sweeping/sweeping4.html)

With the newer equipment litter removal as well as reduction of toxic residue in the run-off is achieved. Yes, ticketing vehicles obstructing the sweepers is a revenue enhancer... part of the cost of citizenship. The option is moving your car or opting-out as in example three.

If these conclusions are only a dream, then don't wake me I wish to remain under the spell.


more fuel to your fire

http://www.worldsweeper.com/Environmental/mintonvol4No4.html

and the list goes on, so many simulations.

What I want to see, is a real measurement runoff quality before, and after large scale street sweeping.

All I see are charts detailing newer sweeper effectiveness at picking up more fine particles. Good for them, and how much does that supposed increase in effectiveness have at the entry point to our waterways? What is the result?

It should be a simple enough measurement, is the quality of the runoff cleaner than it was before widespread use of street sweepers? Where is that data? not simulated charts of expected runoff, actual data showing the difference and improvement?



But lets say, for the sake of argument, that they do reduce runoff pollution. It is not so unimaginable, they may be piss poor at picking up actual trash, but if the real motivation is cleaning up smaller particles and some of the nastier substances that clog the sides of the roads, so be it.

Here is the problem, the problem that highlights the cities primary concern to ticket so it can collect funds, not ticket to discourage blocking the effectiveness of street sweepers.


The side of the street where I live has a street sweeper time on Tuesday from 8am to 3pm.

The street sweeper usually comes by before 9am. If any car parks after the street sweeper comes, after its primary job is completed, after it was NOT blocked from sweeping and doing the very job the tickets were supposedly created to ensure, that person still gets ticketed.

They blocked NO sweeper from doing its job, the ticket at that point, serves no practical purpose except to fleece some poor soul out of money. I have seen this happen to people, seen the agents of evil itself gallop up on their cloven hooves, the meter maids, eyes blood red with a curious delight in their eye at the suffering they are about to inflict on another.

I have seen that look in the eyes of wild beasts. It is the look a jackal gives to a herd of antelope. That is how those parasites of existence see us all when attached to cars.


Celebrate them if you will.

graz
04-12-2009, 08:51 AM
Celebrate them if you will.

O.K. then. I think Pampl has it right:
I'm pretty sure they're just there to liquidate old or sick homeless people that can't flee fast enough. It's necessary for keeping the herd healthy.


Why would they do that?
To make old people patties... of course.