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uncle ebeneezer
03-02-2009, 08:03 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_memos

AemJeff
03-02-2009, 08:05 PM
Eric Holder:

"Too often over the past decade, the fight against terrorism has been viewed as a zero-sum battle with our civil liberties," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a speech a few hours before the documents were released. "Not only is that school of thought misguided, I fear that in actuality it does more harm than good."

Amen!

uncle ebeneezer
03-02-2009, 08:18 PM
Amen to your "amen." Precisely the "change" I was hoping for*. Bob, I would love to hear Jack Balkin, Rosa Brooks and maybe Bruce Fein on this attempt to re-establish a culture of transparency.

*well, 1 of many

bjkeefe
03-02-2009, 08:50 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_memos

Great news! Thanks for passing it along.

And since it'll be nice to have this one preserved, and since you apparently didn't get The Memo (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/05/memo-to-entire-blogosphere.html), here is a backup link to the same article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8383331), and another (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101355644), likely to last longer, for visitors to this thread more than a couple of days from now.

TwinSwords
03-02-2009, 08:56 PM
Excellent news. Thanks for passing it along.

uncle ebeneezer
03-02-2009, 09:06 PM
Ahh, yet another reason to complain about Yahoo. Maybe they crafted their policy based on advise from John Yoo ;-)

Thanks for the heads up.

bjkeefe
03-02-2009, 09:23 PM
Ahh, yet another reason to complain about Yahoo. Maybe they crafted their policy based on advise from John Yoo ;-)

Thanks for the heads up.

John Yoo? Jerry Yang? Coincidence??????

Glad you didn't take my gripe personally. That just really drives me bananas about Yahoo. Evidently, judging by the links I see in my surfing, they've got lots of medium and big bloggers visiting them for the news as it happens. Why not make those links really worth something? I mean, we're talking text articles at a few KB a whack, never mind that disk space costs pennies per gigabyte these days. And when you compare that cost to the loss of cred/bad taste left in the visitor's mouth, and loss of eyes looking at ads, every time someone follows a few-days-old link to news.yahoo.com, only to get a 404 ...

Grumble.

uncle ebeneezer
03-02-2009, 09:52 PM
Glad you didn't take my gripe personally. That just really drives me bananas about Yahoo.

Not in the least. That's really annoying when I can't find some link article later on. You know if you're (Yahoo) gonna try to get into the news game, ya might wanna, ya know, keep the articles accessible. Any time there are better sources or sites for linking, I would expect someone to point them out. It's the old market adjusting itself right? ;-)

bjkeefe
03-02-2009, 10:00 PM
Not in the least. That's really annoying when I can't find some link article later on. You know if you're (Yahoo) gonna try to get into the news game, ya might wanna, ya know, keep the articles accessible. Any time there are better sources or sites for linking, I would expect someone to point them out. It's the old market adjusting itself right? ;-)

If I ever see a story on news.yahoo.com that I want to use as a reference, I just copy the first paragraph and paste it into Google's search box. Takes about five seconds to find the same story elsewhere, since it's almost always from the AP. I wish more bloggers would make that effort.

I guess, though, that most bloggers think of blog posts as transient, and I'm the 21st century equivalent of the crank whose house is crammed with stacks of years-old newspapers.

uncle ebeneezer
03-02-2009, 11:58 PM
Has anyone noticed how the time on when a comment was written sometimes jumps rather drastically? Brendan, your last comment on this thread said 10:00 about a minute ago and now it says 2:00 am. Strange.

bjkeefe
03-03-2009, 12:11 AM
Has anyone noticed how the time on when a comment was written sometimes jumps rather drastically? Brendan, your last comment on this thread said 10:00 about a minute ago and now it says 2:00 am. Strange.

And I see that comment timestamped as 9:00 pm.

I'm guessing the vBulletin software got confused about time zones, maybe? I think it personalizes the timestamps for each user's own timezone, and maybe it didn't recognize you as being logged in, so it showed the time as GMT.

Sometimes when I hop around the site in an odd way, with multiple tabs open to different pages of the site, one of them will show me as not logged in, even though I can still post comments, etc., in the others.

bjkeefe
03-03-2009, 11:36 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_memos

Here's another piece from the WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/02/AR2009030202906.html?hpid=topnews) that adds some detail.