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AemJeff
11-04-2008, 11:11 PM
I happened to be watching when FOX(!) projected Obama the winner in the Presidential race. If you're as childish as I am - leave a reply. If you're not, or you disagree with me, leave a reply and say so. (In your face, Jeff!) Either way, this is huge - less than fifty years have passed since the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

Ocean
11-04-2008, 11:16 PM
I'm so glad you took the initiative!

Unbelievable! America has learned!!!!

bjkeefe
11-05-2008, 12:32 AM
Schadenfreude is all (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/theres-just-nothing-to-say-about-this.html) right (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/incurably-self-centered-one-finds.html) with (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/merciless.html) me (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/suck-it-suckers.html), at least for a little while.

But here's how I really feel (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/in-anticipation.html).

claymisher
11-05-2008, 03:36 AM
I'm trying to gloat, I really am, but all I feel right now is relief.

So keep the links coming, guys!

SkepticDoc
11-05-2008, 06:59 AM
Hear, Hear!

Now the really hard work begins.

bjkeefe
11-05-2008, 02:53 PM
Schadenfreude is all (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/theres-just-nothing-to-say-about-this.html) right (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/incurably-self-centered-one-finds.html) with (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/merciless.html) me (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/suck-it-suckers.html), at least for a little while.

But here's how I really feel (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/in-anticipation.html).

I do have to admit to an ongoing cackle imagining what kidneystones is feeling right now, though.

Fist bumps all around!

AemJeff
11-05-2008, 03:17 PM
I do have to admit to an ongoing cackle imagining what kidneystones is feeling right now, though.

Fist bumps all around!

Dude! (bump!)

bjkeefe
11-05-2008, 04:11 PM
Snicker (http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581/page/1):

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

[...]

McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.

AemJeff
11-05-2008, 06:28 PM
Speaking of Schadenfreude, Howard Dean ought to be feeling pretty proud of himself (http://www.democrats.org/a/party/a_50_state_strategy/), today.

TwinSwords
11-05-2008, 06:50 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/DickSteele/Smileys/Fistbump-2.gif

TwinSwords
11-05-2008, 06:52 PM
I'm trying to gloat, I really am, but all I feel right now is relief.
Good point! Same here. We really dodged a bullet. Thank God the nation repudiated the hate- and fear-based campaign of McCain/Palin. It would have been ugly if they won after everything they did in their desperate attempt to win.

bjkeefe
11-05-2008, 07:03 PM
Speaking of Schadenfreude, Howard Dean ought to be feeling pretty proud of himself (http://www.democrats.org/a/party/a_50_state_strategy/), today.

Indeed. I was just thinking the same thing (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/50-state-strategy.html) the other day. Even if the FSS didn't run the table this time around, I think Dean's belief has already shown itself to be a winning one that can only get better. I hope I never have to see another Dem political adviser talk about the old way of doing things. Not only does writing off great swaths of states start you off with a strike or two against you in any election, it also aggravates the kneejerk anti-Dem/anti-liberal feeling in those states. Much better to do outreach and education and get a real chance to listen.

bjkeefe
11-06-2008, 03:48 AM
... posting this (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html).

Best part is hearing O'Reilly trying to stand up for her.

Eastwest
11-06-2008, 04:24 AM
I'm trying to gloat, I really am, but all I feel right now is relief.

So keep the links coming, guys!

Well, here's one for you, courtesy of Krugman which gets at least to a minor fraction of what I'm experiencing. He titles his post as "The Monster Years":
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/the-monster-years/

I'm finding I can't work or concentrate for very long without just holding my head in my hands in half-blissful, half-agonized shock at the sudden end to a reign of terror perpetrated on us ever since the onset of the Gingrich "Contract on America," but then amped up exponentially post-9/11 by the now outgoing indescribably vicious GW/Cheney tribe.

Really, I think it's like a form of PTSD topped off by a tension-filled two years dominated by semi-constant anxiety that rule by the reptilian republicans might somehow continue on endlessly.

So, yeah: relief. But I think I'm just going to have to hang loose past the weekend before getting over this. Knowing that the Republican slime-Obama machine is even now gearing up to take him down (having made this a proven effective strategy since the trashing of the Clintons on arrival from Arkansas) could make it take a good deal longer to shake.

Wow. So amazing. Such a relief to see legions of new, young, fresh troops drawn in to push-back against the Republican-corporate greed machine.

Schadenfreude? Yeah, I guess it doesn't bother me a bit to see crypto-fascists eat a little crow for a change.

EW

bjkeefe
11-06-2008, 10:00 AM
http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files//2008/11/victory.jpg

NB: TBogg had the balls to post this two days before the election (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2008/11/02/schadenfreude-tv/).

He was busy watching The Corner the night of the 4th: Scenes from a maul (http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2008/11/04/scenes-from-a-maul/).

Fans of GQ (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/11/nugget.html) will appreciate his latest.

AemJeff
11-06-2008, 10:45 AM
There's a fight brewing between some members of the anti-Palin faction of the outgoing McCain team and a certain clique self-important right-wing bloggers. Erick Erickson announces Operation Leper (http://www.redstate.com/diaries/erick/2008/nov/05/operation-leper/) in which he will use his awsome blogger super-powers to "go to war" to all and sundry who have turned on the Governor, and any politicians who might hire them in the next cycle. Ace wants names (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/277522.php). And Malkin (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/05/the-mccain-campaigns-classless-cowards/) is running interference for Palin and doing her general best to frame her (Palin) as a victim while still trying to sound threatening.

Pathetic. The mere fact that any one of these folks supports anyone or anything is damn near proof that that cause should be shunned.

Thus Spoke Elvis
11-06-2008, 01:17 PM
Sorry, but schadenfreude is only really satisfying when the person suffering expected to prevail before having their hopes ruined. But almost all Republicans had expected to lose this election for a long time. No hopes or dreams were dashed in this election. That already happened with Katrina and the 2006 midterms.

The best recent example of schadenfreude was in the 2004 presidential election, when so many Kerry supporters actually thought their guy was gonna win. Remember all those bloggers (I think Yglesias was one of them) praising the Eninem video "Mosh," and saying that they would don a black hoodie to vote against Bush? Remember the premature gloating on the left side of the blogosphere, as well as in the election coverage of MSNBC, when shoddy exit poll data was leaked that suggested a Kerry landslide?

And then their dreams crumbled.

Now that was a time to feel schadenfreude. This? Not so much.

Save the sliver of hope that Sarah "please go away" Palin injected into the campaign for about three weeks, Republicans have been depressed about their chances at least since April. If anything, I think the outcome is somewhat of a relief, because at least now there's time to regroup and reassess.

AemJeff
11-06-2008, 01:43 PM
Sorry, but schadenfreude is only really satisfying when the person suffering expected to prevail before having their hopes ruined. But almost all Republicans had expected to lose this election for a long time. No hopes or dreams were dashed in this election. That already happened with Katrina and the 2006 midterms.

The best recent example of schadenfreude was in the 2004 presidential election, when so many Kerry supporters actually thought their guy was gonna win. Remember all those bloggers (I think Yglesias was one of them) praising the Enimen vidoe "Mosh," and saying that they would don a black hoddie to vote against Bush? Remember the premature gloating on the left side of the blogosphere, as well as in the election coverage of MSNBC, when shoddy exit poll data was leaked that suggested a Kerry landslide?

And then their dreams crumbled.

Now that was a time to feel schadenfreude. This? Not so much.

Save the sliver of hope that Sarah "please go away" Palin injected into the campaign for about three weeks, Republicans have been depressed about their chances at least since April. If anything, I think the outcome is somewhat of a relief, because at least now there's time to regroup and reassess.

Heh. I cop entirely to "weakness" charge. I thought I acknowledged that in the somewhat fanciful title of the thread. But I don't see much support for your definition. Typical dictionary definitions (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/schadenfreude) read like this:

satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.

Also, not speaking for anybody but myself, it's only certain classes of folks, particular bloggers (Malkin, AoS, and Red State come to mind, e.g.), AM radio personalities and a few media operatives (ahem, er, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Goldfarb, cough, cough...) that really count as targets.

Thus Spoke Elvis
11-06-2008, 01:54 PM
Yeah, I know what the term means. But like I said, I think that many Republicans saw this as the culmination of a terminal illness, for which death might have been something of a relief in the sense that it brought closure.
There were a few people holding out hope, like Ace and Malkin, but even then it was of the "don't give up!" kind, not the "we got this thing won!" sort.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the time for schadenfreude was well before November 4.

nikkibong
11-06-2008, 02:13 PM
anyone caught any FOX yesterday or today? can someone tell me if hannity's head has officially exploded?

pity obama didn't pick Bill Ayers as his next chief of staff . . .

TwinSwords
11-06-2008, 05:04 PM
Wow. Those people are crazy.

TwinSwords
11-06-2008, 05:32 PM
Sorry, but schadenfreude is only really satisfying when the person suffering expected to prevail before having their hopes ruined. But almost all Republicans had expected to lose this election for a long time. No hopes or dreams were dashed in this election. That already happened with Katrina and the 2006 midterms.

The best recent example of schadenfreude was in the 2004 presidential election, when so many Kerry supporters actually thought their guy was gonna win. Remember all those bloggers (I think Yglesias was one of them) praising the Eninem video "Mosh," and saying that they would don a black hoodie to vote against Bush? Remember the premature gloating on the left side of the blogosphere, as well as in the election coverage of MSNBC, when shoddy exit poll data was leaked that suggested a Kerry landslide?

And then their dreams crumbled.

Now that was a time to feel schadenfreude. This? Not so much.

Save the sliver of hope that Sarah "please go away" Palin injected into the campaign for about three weeks, Republicans have been depressed about their chances at least since April. If anything, I think the outcome is somewhat of a relief, because at least now there's time to regroup and reassess.

Nice try!

More hilarity: GOP Lawyer Dispatched To Alaska To Retrieve Sarah Palin's Clothes (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/gop-lawyer-dispatched-to_n_141897.html)

bjkeefe
11-07-2008, 10:21 AM
This doesn't seem churlish. It seems righteous (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/the-county-pali.html):

The County Palin Called The Real America

It voted for Obama (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/Guilford/7970/13314/en/md.html?cid=0103).

bjkeefe
11-11-2008, 12:33 AM
Oliver Willis (http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/10/well-as-you-know-we-wont-need-to-measure-the-drapes/), caption of the week: