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Bloggingheads
03-25-2008, 07:29 PM

Abu Noor Al-Irlandee
03-25-2008, 07:37 PM
Wow! This looks really great...I hope I won't be disappointed.

http://abunooralirlandee.wordpress.com

Wonderment
03-25-2008, 10:10 PM
http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/9698?in=00:31:40&out=32:03

brucds
03-26-2008, 12:33 AM
A good'n...Bob Reich is terrific.

Glaurunge
03-26-2008, 12:58 AM
Bob Reich, I understand your hesitance about endorsing Obama because of your past loyalties to the Clintons and forty year relationship with them. But how long has your relationship been with the United States? According to Wikipedia it's been 61 years.

I guess what I'm getting at is that elections are held for the benefit of the voters, not for the candidates. Those voters need a good President more than any particular candidate needs the benefits that come with the office of the Presidency. People like you, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain are going to do fine regardless of who wins. However, that's not true for millions upon millions of Americans.

If you really think Obama is the better candidate for most of the country's 260 million Americans, you ought to endorse him publicly. Who knows? Your endorsement could even be the initial lone pebble that precipitates an avalanche.

Wonderment
03-26-2008, 01:10 AM
Bob Wright provided an excellent one-sentence assessment of the importance of Bob Reich standing up for what he obviously believes in:

It would be a big deal if another Clinton cabinet member endorsed Obama, especially a leading economist of Reich's stature.

Reich is disgusted by the Clintons' sleazy campaign. He knows they've been playing the race card for months now, and it's getting worse by the day. Today Hillary felt obliged twice to trash Rev. Wright, and she'll probably go on a rampage for the rest of the week as well.

Let them call you a Judas, Bob. Future generations will thank you, and you'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you did the right thing when it counted.

TwinSwords
03-26-2008, 02:04 AM
Reich is disgusted by the Clintons' sleazy campaign. He knows they've been playing the race card for months now, and it's getting worse by the day. Today Hillary felt obliged twice to trash Rev. Wright, and she'll probably go on a rampage for the rest of the week as well.


This country is so screwed.

bjkeefe
03-26-2008, 05:13 AM
The fact that Bob Reich has been so close with the Clintons for so long, yet will not endorse Hillary, is itself a fairly significant thing. To the extent that endorsements are worth anything, I'd say he's implicitly giving something there.

I can accept his unwillingness, on the human level, to endorse Obama explicitly. Loyalty and friendship are not entirely bad things, and even leaving aside the value judgments, these are realities of the human condition.

Nonetheless, Glaurunge makes a good case, and there's also no arguing with Bob Wright's point: the headline-ability of the message -- "Two former Clinton Cabinet officials endorse Obama in the same week!" -- would be worth a lot.

So, Mr. Secretary, I urge you to consider these suggestions carefully. You've all but said it. Just come right out and finish. It would be a good thing to stand up and be explicitly counted as one of those who is against politics as usual.

That part aside, it was great to have Bob Reich on BH.tv. I used to love him on Marketplace when I had time to listen to that show. Few have his gift for clarity when discussing economic issues. I also thought he was particularly cogent when speaking about the enthusiasm that Obama has generated, and the need for a mobilized populace to force accomplishments in Washington.

His thoughts on the Bear Sterns bailout were a breath of fresh air. I don't expect them to have immediate effect, given how crony capitalism has become the way of the world, but it's good that he made the effort to talk about it here and on his blog. I expect, should his thoughts on this matter gain any legs, that the powers that be will immediately cry "SOCIALISM!!!" and the sheeple will declare that the end of it. We can only hope he has planted a viable seed.

And one more thing: Surely, this diavlog has to be first on the list for phonetically similar participant names. Robert Reich. Robert Wright. Can anyone even imagine two people who could plausibly converse that would beat that?

bjkeefe
03-26-2008, 05:31 AM
Also from RR's blog: Moral Hazard Redux (http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/03/moral-hazard-redux.html) and Why the Telecoms Shouldn't Get Immunity for Spying on Americans (http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/03/why-telecoms-shouldnt-get-immunity-for.html).

Maybe not strictly related to the diavlog, but well worth reading.

brucds
03-26-2008, 09:44 AM
I have to say that given Bob Reich's well-known personal and professional ties to the Clintons and his openness about how tough it would be after 40 years to endorse another candidate, his criticisms of the Clinton campaign are even more credible and damning than if he were seen simply as someone who had endorsed Obama, with all of the attendant assumptions about people at Bob's level jockeying for cabinet positions, etc. The sense one gets of his personal loyalty and appreciation of the Clintons actually adds to my belief in the validity of his critique.

zenweight
03-26-2008, 10:59 AM
BobR's wisely highlighted the danger of undermining the young generation supporting Obama in the case of an electoral vote overriding a popular vote. It is an opportunity to form a true political generation that will only gain in leverage in the 12 and 16 elections as the population turns over, it is a rare and necessary element to get us out of the clusterf**k that is only just dawning.

Thanks for the lucid explanation and critique BobR, and BobW for being ever the humble host and active listner, skills too rare on any platform.

gwlaw99
03-26-2008, 11:16 AM
This was definitely an interesting interviewand Reich made some good points, but this is also the second softball interview of a left leaning economist in the last few months.

Is Bob so afraid that Krugman and Reich could not hold their own against right leaning economist?

I do not disagree with most of what Reich said, but I would really like to see a debate about these issues. I prefer to have my own opinions challenged. That way I can either see the weakness of the other side's arguments or maybe just maybe question my assumptions.

bjkeefe
03-26-2008, 11:34 AM
gwlaw:

That's a reasonable request, but keep in mind two things. First, Reich and Krugman are major gets, any way you get them, even for the Global Media Juggernaut (tm) that is BH.tv. So, I'm not sure who among the conservative economists at their level is going to be simultaneously available. Much less willing, come to that.

Second, it is often, if not usually, the case that first-time diavloggers get a kinder, gentler introduction.

uncle ebeneezer
03-26-2008, 11:55 AM
Speaking of Hillary and bloodshed. This is pretty g-damn funny in my opinion:

As bullets clawed the air around us and screams echoed down the rubble-strewn tarmac, I felt almost peaceful.

It was a simple mission, they had told me – get in, shake a few hands and mouth a few platitudes, get out. Simple. Yeah.

Things had started going wrong while we were still in the air and only gotten worse from there. So here we were, pinned down, choking on the acrid tang of cordite and the heady scent of human blood. The mission was even simpler now: survive. Whatever the cost, survive.

There was a grunt and a clatter of equipment as Sinbad threw himself down at my side. Sweat glistened on his bare arms, and I could see tendons contracting and relaxing as he squeezed off bursts from his M14. The motion was hypnotic, like a snake about to strike. Perhaps, when all this was over-

No. Concentrate. Focus on the mission. Survive.

A shout from my left drew my head around. Sheryl Crow, guitar still strapped to her back, had taken cover behind a haphazard pile of decaying corpses. Her hair, once lustrous, now lank and greasy, was held back from her eyes by a dirty red headband. Her slim nostrils flared in the dirt-smeared oval of her face, seeking air free of the funeral taint shrouding the airfield. Still, I saw a fierce exultation in her expression that I knew mirrored my own.

Her lithe, nimble fingers stroked the top of an M67 frag grenade, strumming a chord of impending doom. With one quick, economical movement, she plucked the pin free and sent the deadly payload sailing toward the ridge concealing our enemies. My eyes traced the arc, willing it to fly true, to rain death on-

“There!” Sinbad shouted. “The convoy!”

I wrenched my gaze in the direction he was pointing. The boom of the grenade registered only faintly, suddenly unimportant. Thirty yards dead ahead was the real target: the armored convoy, offering safety, shelter, survival. If we could reach it.

“Follow me!” Sinbad roared, levering himself to his feet. As I prepared to follow, a high-pitched whine arrowed across my eardrums and warm, sticky rain splashed my face.

I forced myself to look, already knowing what I would see. The big man lay there, crumpled, the left side of his head a nightmare maze of blood, brains and tight curls of yellowish-orange hair.

Time to mourn later. Survive.

I juked to my left, darting and weaving, somehow making it to Sheryl’s position. Her eyes were wide, shock and fear clouding their emerald depths. “Is he-”

“Gone,” I snapped. “We have to move. Now.”

For a moment I wondered if I would have to leave her behind, but then her jaw tightened and she nodded sharply. “Stay behind me,” she said with a brief squeeze of my hand, then she was up and running, moving like a deer.

I followed, matching her as best I could with the mindless insect hum of lead bees filling my ears and the cracked tarmac clutching at my heels. We ran, time stretching, flattening, the convoy impossibly distant, a cruel mirage, too far, too far . . .

And then, somehow, we were almost there. We had made it, we were going to –

A flat crack and the mournful twang of a guitar string. Sheryl fell, scarlet-splashed splinters from the shattered guitar seeming to hang in the air.

I stopped. Men were flooding out of the brush and streaming around the cars. One approached me, smirking, rifle held casually across his body, smoke still rising from the barrel.

“Every day a winding road,” he said in heavily accented English, shrugging a shoulder toward Sheryl’s body. He stepped closer, almost close enough to touch. “End of road for her today. And you.”

Still smirking, he began to raise the rifle. I lunged forward, freed the ka-bar concealed under my pantsuit, and buried it to the hilt in his chest. He grunted, stiffened, and then slid backwards, the knife making a greedy slurping sound as it pulled free.

The other rebels froze, momentarily stunned. There were a lot of them – too many, surely – but it didn’t matter. One day, I knew, I would be telling this story to rapt audiences as I made my inevitable march to the Presidency. Would this ragged group of smelly goatfuckers be the ones to stop me? Would they?

I raised the blade to my lips, licked it clean, and began to laugh.

Survive. Whatever the cost, survive.

-From The War Journals of Hillary Clinton, Vol. 1

Glaurunge
03-26-2008, 12:08 PM
This was definitely an interesting interviewand Reich made some good points, but this is also the second softball interview of a left leaning economist in the last few months.

What exactly is a "left leaning economist?" One who is pro-choice and doesn't hate gays? I just find it so weird the way people try to catagorize economists as left/right. I've never heard of liberal physicists or chemists.

Krugman himself is an unabashed liberal, but I think that comes from his normative economic judgements about things like inequality. Which personal judgements did Reich make that were "liberal"? Or does he just get tagged with the liberal label because he worked under Clinton?

I think economists are in general are very smart and cosmopolitan people, so it's probably hard to easily peg them on the left-right spectrum. I doubt there are many economists in the rank-and-file of either party.

uncle ebeneezer
03-26-2008, 12:36 PM
OK Brendan, let's see (many are highly unlikely/impossible):

Mark Schmidt & Mark Penn (ugh, take that back)

Will Wilkinson & William F Buckley (when he was alive)

Will Wilkinson & William J. Clinton (might be possible after Hillary finally gives up)

Dan Drezner & Daniel Dennett (Libertarianism meets conciousness)

Matt Yglesias & Matt Welch (author of McCain bio)

Matt Yglesias & Matt Lee (not sure what they would talk about but it would be very high energy)

Rosa Brooks & Rosa Parks

Mickey Kaus & Mickey Rourke (celeb gossip meets...Mickey Rourke)

George Johnson & George Lucas (sci Fri meets Sci Fi)

Carl Zimmer & Carl Sagan (that would have been awesome)

Henry Farrell & Henry Kissinger (battle of the accents AND ideology)

David Corn & David Brooks

Jim Pinkerton & Jimmy Carter

Bill Scher & Bill Gates

Unfortunately I can't think of any Heather's, Spencer's, Ezra's, or Glenn's to pair up with some of my other favorites.

look
03-26-2008, 02:10 PM
Speaking of Hillary and bloodshed. This is pretty g-damn funny in my opinion:

As bullets clawed the air around us and screams echoed down the rubble-strewn tarmac, I felt almost peaceful.

It was a simple mission, they had told me – get in, shake a few hands and mouth a few platitudes, get out. Simple. Yeah.

Things had started going wrong while we were still in the air and only gotten worse from there. So here we were, pinned down, choking on the acrid tang of cordite and the heady scent of human blood. The mission was even simpler now: survive. Whatever the cost, survive.

There was a grunt and a clatter of equipment as Sinbad threw himself down at my side. Sweat glistened on his bare arms, and I could see tendons contracting and relaxing as he squeezed off bursts from his M14. The motion was hypnotic, like a snake about to strike. Perhaps, when all this was over-

No. Concentrate. Focus on the mission. Survive.

A shout from my left drew my head around. Sheryl Crow, guitar still strapped to her back, had taken cover behind a haphazard pile of decaying corpses. Her hair, once lustrous, now lank and greasy, was held back from her eyes by a dirty red headband. Her slim nostrils flared in the dirt-smeared oval of her face, seeking air free of the funeral taint shrouding the airfield. Still, I saw a fierce exultation in her expression that I knew mirrored my own.

Her lithe, nimble fingers stroked the top of an M67 frag grenade, strumming a chord of impending doom. With one quick, economical movement, she plucked the pin free and sent the deadly payload sailing toward the ridge concealing our enemies. My eyes traced the arc, willing it to fly true, to rain death on-

“There!” Sinbad shouted. “The convoy!”

I wrenched my gaze in the direction he was pointing. The boom of the grenade registered only faintly, suddenly unimportant. Thirty yards dead ahead was the real target: the armored convoy, offering safety, shelter, survival. If we could reach it.

“Follow me!” Sinbad roared, levering himself to his feet. As I prepared to follow, a high-pitched whine arrowed across my eardrums and warm, sticky rain splashed my face.

I forced myself to look, already knowing what I would see. The big man lay there, crumpled, the left side of his head a nightmare maze of blood, brains and tight curls of yellowish-orange hair.

Time to mourn later. Survive.

I juked to my left, darting and weaving, somehow making it to Sheryl’s position. Her eyes were wide, shock and fear clouding their emerald depths. “Is he-”

“Gone,” I snapped. “We have to move. Now.”

For a moment I wondered if I would have to leave her behind, but then her jaw tightened and she nodded sharply. “Stay behind me,” she said with a brief squeeze of my hand, then she was up and running, moving like a deer.

I followed, matching her as best I could with the mindless insect hum of lead bees filling my ears and the cracked tarmac clutching at my heels. We ran, time stretching, flattening, the convoy impossibly distant, a cruel mirage, too far, too far . . .

And then, somehow, we were almost there. We had made it, we were going to –

A flat crack and the mournful twang of a guitar string. Sheryl fell, scarlet-splashed splinters from the shattered guitar seeming to hang in the air.

I stopped. Men were flooding out of the brush and streaming around the cars. One approached me, smirking, rifle held casually across his body, smoke still rising from the barrel.

“Every day a winding road,” he said in heavily accented English, shrugging a shoulder toward Sheryl’s body. He stepped closer, almost close enough to touch. “End of road for her today. And you.”

Still smirking, he began to raise the rifle. I lunged forward, freed the ka-bar concealed under my pantsuit, and buried it to the hilt in his chest. He grunted, stiffened, and then slid backwards, the knife making a greedy slurping sound as it pulled free.

The other rebels froze, momentarily stunned. There were a lot of them – too many, surely – but it didn’t matter. One day, I knew, I would be telling this story to rapt audiences as I made my inevitable march to the Presidency. Would this ragged group of smelly goatfuckers be the ones to stop me? Would they?

I raised the blade to my lips, licked it clean, and began to laugh.

Survive. Whatever the cost, survive.

-From The War Journals of Hillary Clinton, Vol. 1

Excellent! She'd do it, too. Heh.

bjkeefe
03-26-2008, 02:57 PM
uncle eb:

Pretty funny. (Here is a link to the original posting (http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/sleepdeprived.php#comment-1581152), just because I'm anal.)

On a related note, seen this (http://bjkeefe.blogspot.com/2008/03/miss-spoke.html)?

bjkeefe
03-26-2008, 03:02 PM
Glaurunge:

I should probably let gwlaw answer for himself, but speaking as a fairly unambiguous liberal, I don't think it's an unfair characterization to call Reich a "liberal economist." I mean, he doesn't fetishize deregulation, he believes corporations and CEOs should be subject to a little of the same "moral hazard" as regular people, he thinks massive tax cuts for the rich are bad, and given a hundred chances to pull it off, I doubt very much that he'd be able to say once, with a straight face, "Supply side economics is good fiscal policy."

You_had_me_at_hello
03-26-2008, 04:20 PM
Thank you Mr Reich.

garbagecowboy
03-26-2008, 04:38 PM
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Alworth
03-26-2008, 04:52 PM
Great show!

Wonderment
03-26-2008, 04:53 PM
. But there is a moral to this story : never bet against the U.S. government wasting the taxpayers money.

Or never try to outsmart the infinite wisdom already built into the trading prices of the markets :)

Also, never complain about a 10% profit (not in this environment anyway). You should be celebrating!

Wonderment
03-26-2008, 04:57 PM
Hell yeah he's a liberal! And he accomplished a lot in the centrist Republicrat Clinton government. He deserved John Edwards as president, and he got the fake liberal Clinton.

During his tenure [as SecLabor], he implemented the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA), fought sweatshops, successfully promoted increasing the minimum wage, improved workplace safety, successfully lobbied to pass the Pension Protection Act and the School-to-Work Jobs Act, and launched a number of job training programs.

At the same time, he lobbied Clinton to address bigger societal issues, and pushed for improvement of conditions for those in poverty. He had moderate success until the 1996 presidential campaign began, when Clinton, heeding the advice of political advisor Dick Morris, shifted right and promoted policies designed to appeal to the suburban swing voter as understood by Morris. Wikipedia

garbagecowboy
03-26-2008, 05:01 PM
The Europeans, Chinese and Japanese all have a vested interest in seeing the dollar not crash and burn, which is thankful, since it might have already if this were not the case.

The Europeans don't want to see the Euro appreciate against the dollar for a few reasons. In a climate of relative economic stability, the super-strong Euro (but barring an outright crash) means that European companies which compete with American companies in markets for things like airplanes and even financial services are less competitive. Will Singapore Airlines be more likely to buy 787s or A380s if a euro costs $2?

Beyond the simple fact that the Europeans don't like stagnant economic growth (which is hurt by a strong euro) anymore than we like it, the fact is also that the growing interconnectedness of the world economy means that if the U.S. goes into a severe economic death-spiral then everybody is going to get their hair mussed, and the Europeans will probably take it pretty hard as well.

The calculus is similar with the Japanese, whose economy is perhaps even more fragile and is more export based than that of the EU.

With China, who holds a ton of U.S. paper, the motives are slightly different. Their currency is pegged to the dollar currently, so a crash of the dollar would not be pleasant, and furthermore, if they let their currency float (which their economy is certainly large enough to justify) it would absolutely decimate their engine of economic growth, which is exports. Chinese goods would, for Americans, rapidly become much more expensive, and much of China's competitive advantage in many manufacturing sectors would evaporate, presumably along with their sustained reported GDP growth of around 10% a year.

Despite Reich's pessimism, it remains that the U.S. is undoubtedly the world's largest bloc of consumers, so there is a vested interested among many of the other countries to not see the dollar crash and the U.S. economy go under for several years. This is not to say his concerns are unjustified, just to say that there is a counterweight to the continual bad news we are hearing about the U.S. housing and financial sectors. One thing he said which I think bears keeping in mind is that a sustained, sharp further increase in the price of oil could definitely trigger a severe recession or depression.

OPEC probably has less concern about what effect switching to the Euro will have (this switch has arguably largely taken place) since in the short and medium term there is no alternative but to buy what they're selling at the market rate. A massive global depression might send oil tumbling back to $50 a barrel, but that's still 3 times what it was trading for a few years ago. And it could go to $200 a barrel. They're playing with the house's money.

Not that I would give financial advice, but like any downturn in the market, you can of course make money off the crash. If you think that there's going to be a run on the dollar you could of course buy Euros or Yen, although that's a rather crude instrument, but you could also buy yourself a nice index fund that bets against the dollar. (http://finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=UDN) Similarly, you can buy index funds that track the price of oil. Not everyone has the money available for investment to make such bets, and if you lose your job the $5,000 you have invested betting against the dollar won't help you much, but it's worth noting that the market at least provides you a way to go bearish on the U.S.'s economic prospects.

uncle ebeneezer
03-26-2008, 05:14 PM
he implemented the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA)

Wait, I thought Hillary was taking credit for that ;-)

bjkeefe
03-26-2008, 05:47 PM
Wait, I thought Hillary was taking credit for that ;-)

Not only did Hillary implement it, she did it while being fired on by snipers.

uncle ebeneezer
03-26-2008, 07:20 PM
The only one that we know was being fired on around that time period went by the name "Monica".

Thank you, thank you. Tip your bartenders.

bkjazfan
03-26-2008, 10:35 PM
Perhaps I am wrong but I was under the impression that President Clinton wasn't happy with Secretary Reich's performance at the Labor Department. Maybe someone could clarify that for me.

bkjazfan
03-26-2008, 10:41 PM
I wonder if economists who work in the private sector are more conservative or pro business as opposed to the university professors like Reich, Loury, and Frank?

John

bkjazfan
03-26-2008, 10:42 PM
I notice there is another diavlog on Wright today? No thanks!

John

garbagecowboy
03-27-2008, 01:38 PM
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Curtis
04-02-2008, 09:19 PM
I have always admired R. Reich. His candor, his reason, his clear articulation of the facts, his professorial demeanor have always been reassuring even when he's talking about economic disaster or near disaster. I wish he were still in the government.

Wonderment
04-18-2008, 04:59 PM
Reich endorses Obama!!!

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-for-president.html

look
04-18-2008, 05:11 PM
Reich endorses Obama!!!

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-for-president.html

Yay! But will Gore???

Wonderment
04-18-2008, 05:19 PM
>>Will Gore? >>

Maybe if you write to him and urge him to. I like to think that my little grain of sand message, among the tens of thousands Reich surely received, helped make the case. He did say, "My conscience won't let me be silent any longer."

Wonderment to Reich: "Let them call you a Judas, Bob. Future generations will thank you, and you'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you did the right thing when it counted."

bjkeefe
04-18-2008, 08:01 PM
>>Will Gore? >>

Maybe if you write to him and urge him to.

What is this sudden shirking of responsibility? You're the one with the magic sand!

Wonderment
04-18-2008, 10:25 PM
What is this sudden shirking of responsibility? You're the one with the magic sand!

I think everyone deserves his or her own moment of magical thinking.

Actually, if anyone is the magician it's Bob Wright. He got R. Reich to come on BheadsTV and have his crisis of conscience on video.

look
04-18-2008, 10:27 PM
>>Will Gore? >>

Maybe if you write to him and urge him to. I like to think that my little grain of sand message, among the tens of thousands Reich surely received, helped make the case. He did say, "My conscience won't let me be silent any longer."

Wonderment to Reich: "Let them call you a Judas, Bob. Future generations will thank you, and you'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you did the right thing when it counted."

Very nice. I found Gore's address:

The Office of the Honorable Al Gore
2100 West End Avenue
Nashville, TN 37203

Here are the contact numbers:
Phone: (615) 327-2227
Fax: (615) 327-1323

http://local.google.com/answers/threadview?id=525946

If he does endorse, I can see him doing it at the point of maximal influence...like when the bulk of remaining superdelegates are getting ready to vote.

Wonderment
04-18-2008, 10:36 PM
If he does endorse, I can see him doing it at the point of maximal influence...like when the bulk of remaining superdelegates are getting ready to vote.

A plausible time-frame is after the Puerto Rican primary. Carter, Edwards and Gore all endorse O. Game over.

On the endorsements today, Sam Nunn is also an interesting one. He is on the record for the abolition of nuclear weapons.

bjkeefe
04-18-2008, 10:48 PM
Wonderment:

Wow, you're really on top of this. You have Google alerts set up for Obama endorsements or something?

Did you notice David Boren (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/18/obama_picks_up_support_from_nu.html) also endorsed? Neither, I suspect, are hugely important, but it's nice to get some guys with national security cred to go public. I always did like that one part of Nunn, that he was one of the first non-peaceniks to talk seriously about the proliferation problem.

look
04-18-2008, 11:18 PM
On the endorsements today, Sam Nunn is also an interesting one. He is on the record for the abolition of nuclear weapons.

I always liked Nunn...possible VP choice?

Wonderment
04-18-2008, 11:50 PM
I always liked Nunn...possible VP choice?

Really bad record on gay rights.

look
04-19-2008, 12:16 AM
Really bad record on gay rights.

Didn't know that.

bjkeefe
04-19-2008, 12:31 AM
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Nunn#Possible_2008_presidential_campaign) has him quoted as saying he has no interest in the job.

I also think he's borderline too old, especially if the Dems want to use that against McCain. Which they do.